Build On The True Foundation

Romans 8: 18. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Isaiah, do people realize that the ‘white’ cloud; the white horse, represent the Glory of God manifested on and in his Saints?
(do you recon they think Jesus will be litterally riding down through space on a real 4-legged white horse? do you think they are really that carnal minded? Do people really beleive such junk?) (do they think He will also at another time be riding down from Heaven – through space, sitting down on a white cloud = water drops in the air)

People do you believe this? I want someone to tell me. I am serious.
another question- if you think this, is it two differents events, I mean, will he come down one time riding , sitting on top of a white horse — then another time sitting down on a white cloud? which one?

Read v18–……..the glory which shall be REVEALED in us.
v19—–……the manifestation of the sons of God.

……we shall see him as he is for we shall be like him.

11Thes. 1: 7. And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8. In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9. Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10. When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

read v.10–when He shall come to be glorified IN HIS SAINTS……

and to be admired IN ALL THE BELIEVERS……..

Now does not this prove that the WHITE CLOUD is this glory in his saints? I think it does.

Did not it say v10- he comes to be glorified IN his SAINTS?
Admired IN US?

See? that Son of Man ‘sitting’ on this white cloud = his being glorified and admired in us.

1 Corinthians 15:55– “O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?”

015:057– “But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

I believe that it was the apostle Paul that wrote the saying above. I believe with all my heart that my wife can testify to the same thing. I believe that she had victory over the grave, even though she had to die a natural life. It is something that we all are going to have to do unless the Lord comes before we die. The Bible says it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. I believe that my wife is able to quote the above Scripture and the reason that she can it because she had a friend about 2000 years ago whose name was Jesus, that conquered the grave for her. He conquered it for her and also for all.

“For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that who so ever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.” (So we can see from this that she is not dead but that she has life and that she has it more abundantly.)

As I was thinking what I was going to put in this to the community, I began to think of what a mighty soldier my wife had become. The Scripture over in Joel 2:4 came to my mind.

002:004 — “The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run” ( You see that my wife was a good foot soldier and she can run with the horsemen, and I would go to war and to battle with her any day. I would not be afraid to let her lead the way.)

Here was a woman that faced the dreaded disease of cancer and looked it straight in the eye and said Praise the Lord. One day as we went in to see the doctor to get some results from some tests, he looked at her and said I am so sorry that we have found cancer in one rib. She looked him straight in the eye and said Praise The Lord, he brought me here with one rib and if he wants to he can take me out with one rib.

Here was a woman that would give you the shirt off her back. To prove this let me share something that happened one day in the office where we went. There were several people in the treatment room where they were at and one said to my wife I really like that blouse that you have on, and my wife took it off and gave it to her. There was also another lady in the room and she said that I would say that I like the other stuff that you have on but I would be afraid that you would walk out of here naked.

As I was thinking about this I began to think how that some people have all of the knowledge of the scriptures and there are men that have great ministries and have all the knowledge of the word. But I believe that my wife had one of the great ministries that I have ever seen. She had very little knowledge of the word of God because you see my wife was not able to read. Not many people ever knew this and I would not be sharing this with you now if she was still living. The only knowledge of the word is what I tried to explain to her. You just had to be around my wife just a few minutes and you could see and feel the great love that she had for God and everyone around her.

But as Paul was saying in 1 Corinthians 13:2- “And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing”( This woman did not have all these gifts but I know that she had faith that would remove mountains and she had the greatest gift of all and that was love. The Bible says if you have faith as a mustard seed you can move mountains and this she did.

Never have I ever seen as much faith as she had. My prayer is Lord give me this kind of faith. The Bible says if you have the faith of a mustard seed you can move mountains. She had the faith to move mountains and I am not sure if I could even move the mustard seed compared to the faith that she had.

She was not able to speak to anyone or to say anything 3 or 4 days before she departed this world, but as she was dying she was able to raise her hand just before she died and said Praise the Lord and I love you Jesus. The Lord allowed her to tell every member of the family that she loved them. She told me that she knew that she was dying and the thing that she hated most was leaving her family. This woman had love for everybody and you could tell it from the people that came to the funeral home and to the funeral. People were lined up to sign the register from inside the funeral home to the outside. The sanctuary at the funeral home was also full.

Here was a woman just two weeks before her death was asked this question. The question was to describe a time in your life when God led you in an unusual way? Her answer to this question was “now going through this cancer I guess it had been the most unusual time. Its been and experience that truly has been a blessing” ( how many people can you say that you have heard say that cancer has been a blessing) “she said through my illness I’ve been able to witness to others about my God.”

I would like to thank God for her being my wife for 38 long years we have had some hard times and some good times. I guess that having to watch her die has been the hardest thing that I have ever experienced, but with the help of God we can make it through this thing. I hope to one day be able to be with her again. She had won the battle she has got the victorybut I still have to stay in the battle. And I can win the battle if I keep the faith as she did.

PREDESTINATION

Through the years, so many men have just guessed at these things; and brought up teaching which are not correct with the Word and this is why most people are in total darkness.In the Word of God, we find that when the N.T. started, the way of salvation was purely by faith in Jesus Christ. Anything else is rejected by God.

Now, that is God’s CHOICE; in other words, this is what God elected. God did not elect certain people to be saved — and certain others to be lost. If this were true, it would CONTRADICT the Word, which said, whosoever will may come and take of the water of life freely.The Word also says that God is NOT WILLING that ANY should perish, but that all should come to repentance. So, this is God’s will or His choice; THAT ALL BE SAVED.

So this alone does away with the ‘theory’ that God chose some to be saved; and chose others to be lost. So, that is established with the Written Word.

Then what does this mean?—-Romans 8:29—For whom he did FOREKNOW, he also did PREDESTINATE to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

V30–Moreover, whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called them he also justified: and whom he justified them he also glorified.

Now the big question is this: WHAT DOES THE FOREKNOWING MEAN?

Many have supposed that it means God knew in the very beginning who would and who would not, therefore only those whom he knew WOULD can be saved. But, see this does not fit the thing about whosoever will may come.

So, that cannot be the true answer.Remember in Jesus parables, he said to the ones he told to go away into everlasting fire, I NEVER KNEW you—– so, what is THIS saying?

I NEVER KNEW YOU? — When is this said? It is said AT THE JUDGMENT AT THE LAST DAY — AFTER THE RESURRECTION.So this is when he is speaking of when he said WHOM HE DID FOREKNOW — them he had PREDESTINATED that this group —(those he had foreknown —- BEFORE the day of judgment — before the day of RESURRECTION) — IF HE HAD KNOWN YOU BEFORE THAT DAY — He chose or predestinated, = predetermined — that this group of people (what group?)— (The ones he had known before the judgment)— would be conformed to the image of his dear Son.

God did NOT elect certain ones to be saved and others to be lost —NO NO NO!! He elected that those who came in by FAITH IN JESUS — that those HE KNEW BEFORE THE RESURRECTION — would be saved and everyone else lost.

So, the predestination is not when he calls you — the predestination is God’s choice in the way we are saved. God chose that the ones who come in by FAITH in Jesus would also be conformed to the image of Jesus and therefore be saved.

Now, the next big question is HOW DOES HE KNOW YOU?The answer to this is simple — he knows us by putting his Spirit into us —- this is accomplished by the Baptism of the Holy Ghost — and there is NO OTHER WAY.

That is why I stress this Baptism of the Holy Ghost so much — for without this, you are none of his —without this experience — Jesus has not KNOWN you.

The ‘knowing’ is the same thing in the Word as when it said, Adam KNEW Eve and she CONCEIVED AND BARE CHILDREN.It uses this term many times in the Word to show the marriage relationship —so it is the same with Jesus and us —this is HOW he knows us — by putting his Spirit into us— this is how we conceive from him and bring forth a child of God = ourselves.

This is how we become conformed to the image of Jesus, by having and obeying the Holy Ghost; which is his Spirit.

Now, the answer is this: if Jesus places his Spirit into you BEFORE the day of the RESURRECTION, then he predestinated that this one would be saved.

If he did NOT place his Spirit into one BEFORE the day of the RESURRECTION AND JUDGMENT, he elected that this one would be lost.It is this simple. If he FOREKNEW you (=knew you before the resurrection)— then you will be saved.

Now, lets go into Ephesians one to finish this message.

V4–According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

V5–Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

V6–To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the Beloved.Now, at first glance, one can come to the mistaken conclusion that this Scripture is saying that God CHOSE us to be saved —- before the world began.

But, you must always interpret one Scripture by another one. You cannot find the real truth from just one Scripture. This has to fit the Scripture saying whosoever will may come.

So, WHAT WAS PREDESTINATED? Look at it again — he said he predestinated us unto ADOPTION — so what is ADOPTION? This is the fact that God the Father accepts us as HIS CHILDREN because we belong to Jesus, God’s Son. God adopts us through Jesus. The fact that we came to Jesus by FAITH causes God the Father to adopt us as His Children.The adoption is when we come out of the grave in the IMAGE OF THE SON, JESUS.

Look at verse 6–To the praise of the glory of his GRACE, wherein he hath made us ACCEPTED in the beloved.See, this said that by his GRACE, he accepted us in Jesus. This is why it is so very important to leave LAW and come into GRACE. It is by GRACE that we receive the adoption of children — in other words—when the predestinated election of FAITH is applied to us — this is how we obtain the promise of salvation.

Now, v7–In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his (WHAT? LAW OR GRACE?) — (look at it)—- it said, by his GRACE.

There is no other way. God did NOT PREDESTINATE that those who keep the LAW will find salvation — NO, NO. He determined beforehand that we would obtain his salvation by his GRACE —because we obtained forgiveness of sins by the blood of Jesus.

So it is easy to see that this is the PREDESTINATION —- THIS IS THE PREDETERMINED will of God — that we receive life by obtaining forgiveness of sins by faith in the blood of Jesus.

All who come in by faith, and receive this forgiveness of sins, are Baptized into the body of Jesus, the true Church of the firstborn — and they will, at the resurrection— come forth in the same image of the RESURRECTED SON OF GOD —- THIS IS HOW HE IS THE FIRST BORN AMONG MANY BRETHERN—— WHEN WE ALSO ARE RESURRECTED INTO HIS SAME IMAGE.

This is the predetermined will of God— that all, who come in by faith, are to be resurrected as born again Sons of God.

Now v11— (the only other place in the Word that PREDESTINATION IS MENTIONED)—

In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will

V12–that we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

(See, this said you FIRST trusted in Christ — so this VERY CLEARLY places this obtaining our inheritance to be AFTER we trusted in Christ: not way back yonder in the regions of past we cannot even see.V13–In whom ye also trusted, AFTER that ye HEARD the word of truth, the GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION: in whom also AFTER that ye believed, ye WERE SEALED WITH THAT HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE,

(See, once again this makes it very clear, that this promise of obtaining the PREDESTINATED salvation, comes AFTER one hears the gospel and AFTER one believes then, AFTER, Not when they believe, but it said AFTER YOU BELIEVED, THEN AFTER THAT, YOU ARE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.)

V14—Which is the earnest of our inheritance UNTIL the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Now, this shows without a doubt, that our inheritance of redemption of the body comes later = at the resurrection.So, all this proves without a doubt, that the PREDESTINATION is this: God predetermined that all who come to Jesus by faith, obtain forgiveness of sins by Jesus’ blood, and later are sealed with the Holy Ghost, then at the day of redemption, which is the day of the resurrection, then, we will receive our inheritance, which is our glorified body, or the likeness of his dear Son.

Then, at the Day of Judgment, if he did all this to you, = foreknew you, by putting his Spirit into you — then you will be conformed to his image = have a glorified body. This is the predestination of God.

See how the Word of God explains all these things?

Psalms 40~~~~~~~ The Change

1. I waited patiently for the Lord; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry.

2. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.

3. And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the Lord.

4. Blessed is that man that maketh the Lord his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.

5. Many, O Lord my God, are thy wonderful works which thou hast done, and thy thoughts which are to us-ward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: if I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered.

6. Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

7. Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

8. I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

9. I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O Lord, thou knowest.

10. I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation.

11. Withhold not thou thy tender mercies from me, O Lord: let thy lovingkindness and thy truth continually preserve me.

12. For innumerable evils have compassed me about: mine iniquities have taken hold upon me, so that I am not able to look up; they are more than the hairs of mine head: therefore my heart faileth me.

13. Be pleased, O Lord, to deliver me: O Lord, make haste to help me.

14. Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil.

15. Let them be desolate for a reward of their shame that say unto me, Aha, aha.

16. Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee: let such as love thy salvation say continually, The Lord be magnified.

17. But I am poor and needy; yet the Lord thinketh upon me: thou art my help and my deliverer; make no tarrying, O my God.

Jesus is speaking in this Psalm — as He is in the others also. Until you see this, you will miss the true meaning of the Word.

In verse two, Jesus said God brought him up out of an horrible PIT, out of the MIRY CLAY. So what is this PIT. It is the human flesh, same as the Miry Clay. The miry clay is this human flesh, same as the pit.

This is the Babylon = the human flesh. Babylon is the PIT. Human flesh is what has gone awhoring against God. This miry clay is what we must bring under subjection to the Spirit of God. This is what we must crucify every day if we are to walk in newness of life.

Study this chapter: you will learn about Jesus. When He set his feet upon a ROCK — this is speaking of the resurrection; of the Glorified Body. The ROCK is that which will never fail or decay; it is the glorified body. It is solid; it is truth; it is in the image of God; it will never be changed.

After receiving the glorification, then we can say, “He established my goings”.

v3–He put a ‘new song’ in my mouth, even praise unto our God. This is the glory we shall have after we receive the glorification. Forever then, we will praise our God. The praise then will be perfect Praise. We will be doing it in newness of LIFE.

‘Many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.’

This was fulfilled in Jesus after His resurrection; it will also be fulfilled in us after we receive glorification.

v4–is speaking of the man who does not turn aside to the lying teachings of the whore.

We may continue to take this chapter a verse at a time and expound on it if you wish.

God gave me this to give you on this subject.

The ancient Jews had a misconcept – a ‘fairy tell’ view of how they expected the Messiah to appear. They had made up their own ideas of the matter. They did not receive true revelation from God on this. They had built it into a ‘dream’ tell of a ‘god like’ being coming down from Heaven and putting down all the other nations and lifting them back up as head over the nations.

God had not told them this. Their false ideas drummed it up.

Now the present day church has made up a ‘fairy tell’ view of the next appearing of Jesus. They did not get it as a revelation from the Word; their own false ideas drummed this up. And they continue daily to build this lie up and make it bigger and bigger. Never has the WORLD gotten into anything of this nature as the world has gotten into this lie of a rapture.

See, it has become big money – books (all lies) – movies (since when did God ordain movier? all lies)– and preachers being paid big fat salaries to tell this lie to more and more people.

See, they have built up a false expectation of the ‘appearing’ of Jesus, as the O.T. Jews had their false illusions of the first appearing.

It is just as wrong as that was. And know what? When God revealed to me that old Jerusalem is actually the ‘whore church’ today, I see it clearly. THEY those false Jerusalem jews are the same bunch carrying this lie of a rapture. They have distorted the truth of the second coming of Jesus till only a few will actually LOVE his appearing.

It is not — if we love the thought of his appearing — same as with them — it is will we love it after it happens —- will we love the way He actually does appear? I can assure you, the vast majority of church people will NOT. They will be moaning and groaning. For it will NOT be the way they are expecting.

See also that this church is still drumming out that old lie (because it is them in disguise) that Jesus will then put down all other nations and again set the Jews (natural) back up as head of the nations – see the same old lie. And I ask you why would a church tell that lie? Because it is them in disguise.

Jo

From: Wanna (Original Message) Sent: 11/12/2002 5:58 PM
What so ever is highly esteemed among men, is an abomination to God. Lk.16:15.
One of the most highly esteemed things among men today is that ‘rapture’ myth. Another error caused by not comparing Scripture with Scripture. No one Scripture stands along to be interpreted. It must be explained by another Scripture.

Matt.24:27-31—- read all these verses, I will not write it all to save space. v29—-Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (the 6th seal).

v30–And THEN shall appear the sigh of the son of man in heaven: and THEN shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the SON OF MAN coming in the CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY. These ‘clouds’ are the same ‘clouds’ mentioned in 1Thes. 4.

v31—And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Now, this seems to be what people refer to as the ‘rapture’. But, notice it plainly said this does not happen until AFTER the great tribulation.

1Cor. 15:49-56— Behold, I show you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP : FOR THE TRUMPET SHALL SOUND, AND THE DEAD SHALL BE RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE, AND WE SHALL BE CHANGED.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

He said when the last trumpet (the 7th) sounds, the dead would be raised to incorruption. Then, sometime later, (doesn’t say how much later, just ‘and we shall be changed’). When??? At the seventh trumpet!!!

Take the time to read all the trumpets. See if this fits the rapture theory? Certainly not!! According to the false teaching, the church is taken off this earth and carried up (somewhere???) long before this 7th trumpet sounds. A lot of stuff takes place before that trumpet sounds. I know Revelation is not in chronological order, but I certainly believe when God gives events like this a number order, that he counts as we do. If he says there are 7 trumpets, it stands to reason that 1-6 would happen before 7.

1Thes.4:13-18—- For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD; and the DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST. THEN we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together WITH THEM in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: AND SO SHALL WE ever BE WITH THE Lord.

Now, once again the coming of the Lord and the resurrection is said to be at the time of that trumpet. He said the same thing in 1Cor.15. That the resurrection is at the last trump. Also, in both places, he shows that the dead in Christ rise before any changing or catching up of any saints. In Cor. he uses the word changed; in Thes. he says caught up with them. It means the same thing, The ‘change’ is the being caught up. It merely means being caught up into immortality. They are raised immortal. Then we are changed into immortal. That is what the catching up means. It does NOT mean carrying people off up into some other world.

The ‘clouds’ means that great crowd of raised saints. Cloud means a great multitude. Look it up, Cloud has more than one meaning just as the word ‘one’ does. This is what throws people. Not understanding which meaning is meant in a verse. We tend to hang to one meaning and forget all the others. The ‘air’ is right here where we are. The air represents Satan’s kingdom. He is called the ‘prince ‘ of the power of the ‘air’. Jesus was told , by God , in the Psm. to rule in the MIDST of thine enemies. That is what is meant here.

Paul said this is the Word of the Lord. So it has to be true. He said after we meet him in the ‘air’ so shall we ever be with the Lord; so, if you go sailing off into space to meet him, you would have to stay there from then on.

Rev.20:1-6— v3 —He cast Satan into the bottomless pit, and shut him up and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled; and after that he must be loosed a little season.

v4— And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them; and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had NOT WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, NEITHER HIM IMAGE, NEITHER HAD RECEIVED HIS MARK UPON THEIR FOREHEADS, OR IN THEIR HANDS; AND THEY LIVED AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST A THOUSAND YEARS.

v5—But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION. blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priest of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Now, this plainly says that those in the first resurrection included those who had been beheaded and killed for not taking the mark of the beast and his image. They had not worshipped him. So, they had to have been here when that happened. So, according to the scripture in 1Thes. the dead are raised before any one is changed. So this proves it did not happen until after the beast has run his course.

Rev.11:15-18—The seventh trumpet sounds here. v15– The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

v18—And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the TIME OF THE DEAD, THAT THEY SHOULD BE JUDGED, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Now this shows what the other scriptures in this study said; that the seventh trumpet beings the resurrection of the saints and the time of the nations becoming the kingdom of Christ. The time to reward the saints.

I really don’t see how it could need to be any plainer than that. I don’t see why I would have to say any of my own words to show you the truth of all this. It is too plain, in view of all these scriptures that there is no ‘rapture’, (carrying people off into the sky, before any real trouble hits). There is just no Scripture for such a teaching. Only a misunderstanding of ‘WORDS’.

I pray this will enlighten the minds of some of God’s people. If so, it will be worth the effort put into bringing you this message.

God bless you all

Matt. 19: 16. And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?

17. And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19. Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21. Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

This young man came and asked Jesus what good thing he should do in order to have eternal life. This man was under the law, so Jesus told him to keep the commandments.

The man asked which ones. Jesus named the six which have to do with loving our fellow man. For it is written in 1John how can you love God whom you have not seen if you cannot love your brother whom you have seen.

There was no need to go to the commandments having to do with loving God if this man had not observed those pertaining to loving your brother.

The man said, All these things have I kept from my youth up.

WHAT LACK I YET?

Good question –what is lacking? I have obeyed all these commandments- so what is missing in my life? What else do I need to do in order to obtain eternal life?

Now the answer Jesus gave this young man is of the very utmost importance to every soul alive. Why?

Because herein lies the secret to obtaining eternal life. So we all surely need to know this answer of Jesus.

See that both this young man keeping all the commandments of Moses, and Jesus KNEW that this young man was NOT doing the thing necessary to obtain eternal life.

WHY?

If keeping the 10 commandments gives one eternal life, then why was this man so troubled? Why was he asking what he lacked? How did he know he had not obtained eternal life?

So what did Jesus tell him was lacking? What did this man and everyone else need to do to obtain eternal life?

21. Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

If you wilt be PERFECT, go and SELL your possessions and give to the poor.

WHAT?

Which commandment is that?

It is not any of Moses’ commandments. So where did it come from? Where is it in the Word of God?

Why over in the New Testament Church, in the Book of Acts, of course. It is not in the Old Testament.

What was Jesus telling this young man? The only way to obtain eternal life is to come over into the New Testament; come over into the Church of the Living God. Come over into the kingdom of the Son of God. Obey the Apostles of Jesus after the Day of Pentecost.

No law can give you eternal life. No one ever obtained eternal life by the means of the law. The Word of God says that if a law could have been given which could give life, then verily life should have come by the law and Jesus would have no need to come here and die for us.

Sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven (what? Where is the law promising treasure in heaven?)……..

What else? “And come and follow me”.

Sell your possessions, give to the poor, take up your cross and follow Jesus wherever he leads you. Do this and your soul shall live; you shall have eternal life.

What happened?

22. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Yes, the young man went away sorrowful– for he had great possessions — worldly goods. He treasured these worldly goods more than eternal life.

He treasured the LAW more than grace. He could not give up coming in by his own works of the law– then he could not boast, “All these have I observed since childhood– so I should be good enough for eternal–but nope– Jesus said not so— you must humble yourself– come in as a little child– give up your love for worldly possessions — give up your pride — give up keeping the law for eternal life– for it will never work.

You must come over into the N.T. way of living. Sell your stuff, give to the poor, and take up your cross and FOLLOW JESUS INTO GRACE.

Nope, he would rather die and go to hell than to come in the Grace way.

So it is with most people today, sad to say. But their lives proves it – give me law or I will not go.

Jesus still says, IF YOU WANT ETERNAL LIFE — YOU MUST COME THE NEW TESTAMENT, GRACE WAY–NO LAW WILL OR CAN GIVE YOUR ETERNAL LIFE–OBEY PETER, PAUL, AND THE OTHER APOSTLES, FOR THEY HAD THE KEY, THEY HAD THE MESSAGE OF ETERNAL LIFE.

THEY TAUGHT THE WORLD GRACE–NOT LAW.

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What did the Protestant Reformation bring forth? Anyone have a clue? I just wonder what you all think of this. I know lots of people believe this was one of the open doors mentioned in the Book of Revelation.

But I want someone to show me how that was an open door? I will give you Scripture for what it brought forth.

Rev. 17: 3. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5. And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

There now that is what the reformation brought forth = the harlot daughters of mama whore, the Catholic church.

Yes, this is exactly all that brought forth, more little whores against God and his real truth.

How do I know? Just look at the description of mama and daughters. It is the same.

I saw the woman arrayed in purple and scarlet colour and DECKED WITH GOLD AND PRECIOUS STONES AND PEARLS WITH A CUP FULL OF ABOMINATIONS AND FILTHINESS.

Now see that all the protestant churches fit this same description? Rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing. Fancy, lavish buildings. Big bank accounts. abominations? Yes, full of them. Just look around you at all the idols they worship — Santa, Satan, easter bunnies, egg hunts. sunrise services, high, expensive steeples on their idol temples, proud, haughty, etc. and by the way, look at all their abominable names: — (just will name a few to show you what I mean).— Possum creak (mostly baptist churches go by these kinds of names. but the rest are not much better)-

Blacks creek, ceader sholes, walnut grove, sanford grove, clouds creek, etc. If this is not abominable names I don’t know what else it could be. Believe me I have seen all of these and much worse. (grove worship is always associated with idols). Lots of them have grove in their names. It identifies them.

God is nowhere to be found.

I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints and martyrs of Jesus. Now I grant you if you check the history of all the protestant churches back a ways, you will find that they ALL killed others who did not go along with them, just as their mama Catholic had done. And if you check the history you will find that all those early reformers never did truly in their hearts break away from believing those popes and that catholic mess. They only went a step down the street. But they camped on mama’s doorsteps. They continued all the idolatous holidays which are nothing but devil worship.

They continued to let one man rule over the whole church and PAID him to do so. (just try to get one away from that system and see the war you will stir up!).

If God leads you one step, and you obey YOU CAN REST ASSURED HE WILL THEN SHOW YOU ANOTHER STEP TO TAKE. I GUARANTEE YOU THIS.

Walk in the light as he gives you light. Walking is not standing still. He never said stand still in the light. He meant for us to KEEP WALKING as he leads the way with his light shinging on your pathway.

He never leads you into darkness. But look at the Lutheran, the Methedist, the Baptist and all the rest. What did they do? They took one step and then QUIT. Sat down. denominated on one verse and one doctrine.

I grant you God tried to show every single one of them ANOTHER STEP TO TAKE. I grant you He did. But they refused to go one more step. Yes, they camped on mama whore’s doorstep and refused to get out into the deep waters of the Word.

So they all died as surely as mama is dead. So all the reformation brought forth is more dead harlots.

Amen! Like it or not this is pure truth. And that is why they are all DEAD, WRETCHED, POOR, BLIND, NAKED, IN NEED OF NOTHING –YET DEAD TODAY AS THE LAODICIAN CHURCH.

Jo, not afraid to tell the truth.

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What did the Protestant Reformation bring forth? Anyone have a clue? I just wonder what you all think of this. I know lots of people believe this was one of the open doors mentioned in the Book of Revelation.

But I want someone to show me how that was an open door? I will give you Scripture for what it brought forth.

Rev. 17: 3. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5. And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

There now that is what the reformation brought forth = the harlot daughters of mama whore, the Catholic church.

Yes, this is exactly all that brought forth, more little whores against God and his real truth.

How do I know? Just look at the description of mama and daughters. It is the same.

I saw the woman arrayed in purple and scarlet colour and DECKED WITH GOLD AND PRECIOUS STONES AND PEARLS WITH A CUP FULL OF ABOMINATIONS AND FILTHINESS.

Now see that all the protestant churches fit this same description? Rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing. Fancy, lavish buildings. Big bank accounts. abominations? Yes, full of them. Just look around you at all the idols they worship — Santa, Satan, easter bunnies, egg hunts. sunrise services, high, expensive steeples on their idol temples, proud, haughty, etc. and by the way, look at all their abominable names: — (just will name a few to show you what I mean).— Possum creak (mostly baptist churches go by these kinds of names. but the rest are not much better)-

Blacks creek, ceader sholes, walnut grove, sanford grove, clouds creek, etc. If this is not abominable names I don’t know what else it could be. Believe me I have seen all of these and much worse. (grove worship is always associated with idols). Lots of them have grove in their names. It identifies them.

God is nowhere to be found.

I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints and martyrs of Jesus. Now I grant you if you check the history of all the protestant churches back a ways, you will find that they ALL killed others who did not go along with them, just as their mama Catholic had done. And if you check the history you will find that all those early reformers never did truly in their hearts break away from believing those popes and that catholic mess. They only went a step down the street. But they camped on mama’s doorsteps. They continued all the idolatous holidays which are nothing but devil worship.

They continued to let one man rule over the whole church and PAID him to do so. (just try to get one away from that system and see the war you will stir up!).

If God leads you one step, and you obey YOU CAN REST ASSURED HE WILL THEN SHOW YOU ANOTHER STEP TO TAKE. I GUARANTEE YOU THIS.

Walk in the light as he gives you light. Walking is not standing still. He never said stand still in the light. He meant for us to KEEP WALKING as he leads the way with his light shinging on your pathway.

He never leads you into darkness. But look at the Lutheran, the Methedist, the Baptist and all the rest. What did they do? They took one step and then QUIT. Sat down. denominated on one verse and one doctrine.

I grant you God tried to show every single one of them ANOTHER STEP TO TAKE. I grant you He did. But they refused to go one more step. Yes, they camped on mama whore’s doorstep and refused to get out into the deep waters of the Word.

So they all died as surely as mama is dead. So all the reformation brought forth is more dead harlots.

Amen! Like it or not this is pure truth. And that is why they are all DEAD, WRETCHED, POOR, BLIND, NAKED, IN NEED OF NOTHING –YET DEAD TODAY AS THE LAODICIAN CHURCH.

Jo, not afraid to tell the truth.

OK. Now let’s let this community see who has the truth of this matter. Let the one who proves how to keep the Sabbath Holy by the Word of God be the one who has God teaching them truth. I am on my way. Care to join me?

Now I am studying this throughly. I am going to post quite a few Scriptures PROVING HOW GOD WANTS THE SABBATH KEPT HOLY.

I tell you, if you are still under obligation to keep that 7th day, you are ALSO BOUND TO KEEP ALL THE OTHER SABBATHS. THE SAME GOD WHO SAID KEEP THE 7TH DAY SABBATH ALSO SAID KEEP THESE OTHER SABBATHS.

WHAT YOU GONNA DO ABOUT THIS? DO YOU KEEP ALL OF THEM? HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY BY THE WORD, NOT KEEPING THE OTHERS, IF YOU DO NOT?

Leviticus 23
1. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2. Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.
4. These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

5. In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s passover.
6. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

7. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8. But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
(this throws this day to fall on the first day of the week, Sunday.)the 14th day and the 15th day could not both be on a sat.

9. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
10. Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11. And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

12. And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the Lord. (this types Jesus)

13. And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
14. And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

15. And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16. Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.

Do you know why they were told in verse 16 to number fifty days and offer a NEW MEAT OFFERING UNTO THE LORD?

Because this thing TYPED the coming of the true meat offering to God, the Baptism of the Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost! It came 50 days AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS. That is why!

It was ONLY TYPES AND SHADOWS! SO WHY CONTINUE TO KEEP THE SHADOWS WHEN THE REAL THING HAS COME?

If you are under a command to keep the weekly Sabbath, you are also under a command to keep this one on the 5oth day (which by the way falls on the first day of the week)-

And if you still keep this type of Pentecost, it PROVES YOU DID NOT GET TO THE REAL PENTECOST.

AND IF YOU REFUSE THIS, YOU HAVE NO SALVATION.

23. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
24. Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25. Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.

26. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
27. Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.

28. And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God.

29. For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30. And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31. Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

32. It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
33. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

34. Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the Lord.

35. On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. (this one falls on Sunday)

36. Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
(the 8th day is a Sunday)

37. These are the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38. Beside the sabbaths of the Lord, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the Lord.

Now there are some more Sabbaths you are to keep and rest in and do no work in. Do you keep these Sabbaths? If not, where is your excuse? Where is your Scripture showing you are free from these Sabbaths, but not free from the weekly Sabbath? You are guilty of twisting too much Scripture.

There are actually more Sabbaths down through here which fall on the 1st day of the Week (Sunday) than the 7th day sabbath.
So where do you stand? They are just as much commandments from God as the other.

No where in this reading is any Pharisees mentioned. It said at the beginning of each new thought God commanded Moses – God said to Moses-

People, this is God’s Word; not the word of the Pharisees. Where did you all get this lame excuse to do away with the real way of keeping it Holy?

You are running away from God and truth.

Look at v.36– there again a Sabbath fell on the first day of the Week. Do you keep it? You had better – the same God who commanded the 7th day rest, also demanded rest on this day.
All of this business CLEARLY types the coming of the true rest, the Baptism of the Holy Ghost on Pentecost SUNDAY.

You cannot deny that this day fell on a Sunday. For it was 7 Weekly sabbaths, then one more day, making 50 days, which throws the true Sabbath, Pentecost to fall on a SUNDAY.

What you gonna do about this?
(you see, I am not ignorant about Sabbaths as you all thought I was.)

Now I want some discussion on each of these topics and new threads I have made from our old discussion of this subject. I want all of you adventist and law people to get in here and study this thing out and be truthful with God and His word. If not then you say to God his truth is not important and you will be lost.

I have warned you and warned you. It is serious; I am not joking or jesting with you. Nothing is more serious. without honesty and truth With God, You have no chance for salvation; only a fearful looking to of fiery indignation from an angry God who will DEVOUR THE ADVERSARY.

Unless you love truth and study to find truth, you are his ADVERSARY.

JO
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From: joie Sent: 11/13/2003 1:46 AM

Hey where are all you Sabbath Keepers? Get in here and teach us how to do this thing. We are asking you to teach us by the Word of God how to keep that 7th day Holy. Why are you not anxious to teach us? You have told us zillions of time we need to do this and now we ask how and you will not tell us.

Ask me how to receive the Holy Ghost and I will get into the Book of Acts and teach you. Matter of fact, I have been doing it for years.

But all you do is tell us, you better keep the Sabbath day Holy. So Now I ask HOW? Where is your Scripture for how you do it. HOW DO YOU DO IT? Why are you not telling us? what is the big secret?

If you want some fun, take a look at the concordence at all the carrying on Jesus was doing with the Jews over this very matter. I had never really realized it till I got to studying this subject in seriousness to see how to keep this day Holy according to Moses and God.

Yaul all say the Pharisees had it going on; but I can’t find that. It seems to me God and Moses had it going on- stoning a man for gathering up some sticks on Sat. My. I would be afraid to get into all of that .

They would stone me to death the very first week. for sure. that thing of not going out of the house on Sat. would get me killed for sure. unless it was raining REAL hard.

I might not be too interested in starting a fire or gathering sticks, but to not go out of the house all day; and have to eat yesterdays food, (wonder if it was wrong to get up and heat it up?) Do any of you know? If so ,please inform me. I could cook it on Fri. but is it alright to heat it up on Sat? Do you leave the dishes on the table till Sun?

I would be very afraid in this part of it — for it seems to me that even getting up and walking around the kitchen to heat the food up might pass for severial work and get me stoned to death. whew! it is scarry to even think about.

I know me – I’d be done forgot and go out that door and get to picking up those sticks out there so me can cut grass; I ‘d probable be so stupid ( after all, lots of people keeps telling me that me is stupid) that I’d get out there cutting grass on Sat. and get meself stoned to death.

LoLady, is you afraid of this stuff too? I sure is. Makes me weak all over to think about having to make sure I dont fix food on Sat.

(sure glad I is in Grace)

Wonder what Jesus meant when he said, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath? Do you Sabbath keepers know? If so, please tell me.

He sure had a hard time of this matter with those Jews who were so devoted to that Sat business.

Now here’s some strong stuff:

Mark 3
1. And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
2. And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
3. And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
4. And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5. And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
6. And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.

v2–they are eyeing Jesus to see if he heals on the sabbath (see, they is afraid of God stoning them to death and bring his wrath on them for breaking that Holy day)
they wanted to accuse Jesus as I get accused so much……..

v4–He is debating with them……… Is is lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? (might killed by stoning if you pick up a stick)

v5–Jesus became angry at the because of their HARD HEART (see that law in their heart made it hard)

v6– then the Jews took counsel to get him destroyed —– WHY? HE BROKE THEIR 7TH DAY SABBATH RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM — JUST PLAIN OUT DEFIED THEM AND IT AND HEALED THAT MAN —- WORKING ON THAT DAY.

I LOVE YOU JESUS. PRAISE GOD YOU TOOK US OUT FROM UNDER THAT HORRIBLE STUFF OF BEING STONED TO DEATH FOR ANY WORK ON SAT.

WHEW!!! tHANK GOD FOR THAT.

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The Darkness Before the Dawn

By David Sisler

The Song of Solomon is one of the most exciting books in the Old Testament. It is also one of the world’s greatest love poems. An unnamed couple, a king and a common peasant girl, fall in love. For eight beautiful chapters they sing to each other of their devotion. In this powerful picture of human love, many people who study the Bible find an illustration of the love between Jesus and his Church.

One night the young woman found herself alone. There is no explanation given for her situation. All we know for certain is, she was experiencing darkness. It was both a physical darkness, the darkness of the night, and a spiritual darkness, the absence of the one she loved.

There is no indication she had done anything to drive her love away. He was simply absent from her side at that moment. While it is true that Jesus said, “I will never leave you. I will never forsake you,” there are nevertheless times when we feel darkness all around us and we feel that we are alone. We have not sinned, we have done nothing to drive the Lord away, if, in fact, we could ever drive Him away. But in that moment, there is darkness, and nothing more.

To that moment and to that darkness, the young woman speaks: “Until the day breaks, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be like a young deer upon the mountains!” Those words are full of excitement. She recognizes her situation. It is dark and lonely. But she also recognizes that situation will not last forever. The one she loves has not abandoned her. He will come to her.

God’s child may walk one day, with full assurance of faith, and at another time he may be sighing instead of singing, weeping instead of rejoicing. But it is only a temporary darkness. The shadows are only momentary. The young woman said, “Until the day breaks, until the shadows flee away.” The day will break! The shadows will flee away! The Lover of our souls will come to us “leaping across the mountains, bounding over the hills.”

If you are, right at this moment, experiencing darkness, if the shadows are creeping in and blurring your vision of faith, what do you do?

First of all, wait with patience. For reasons that you do not understand, it is your Lord who has called you into this darkness. He has posted you to this position to serve Him. It is not a darkness of sin, it is not a darkness that would come from abandoning the Lord; it is a darkness of testing.

Second, don’t think of deserting because it is night. Do you remember the night when He prayed in anguish until His sweat was like drops of blood? That prayer was for your survival when you were called on to face your darkness. Hold on. Dawn is coming.

Third, keep watching. There are only so many hours of night. Then the dawn will break. While your soul is watching for the morning, don’t look toward the direction you last saw the sun go down. Look to where you know it will come up again. You may not be able to see Him in your time of testing, but He can see you! Like the disciples that night on storm-tossed Galilee, He can come to you in your darkness.

Fourth, you may be enclosed by darkness, but the darkness cannot get inside of you. The world lives in darkness. Sinners love darkness because it hides their wickedness. Don’t let those who live in darkness tantalize you into carelessness because their fate will be an eternal darkness.

Finally, be expectant. Look! Can’t you see that first gray finger of the dawn? A moment ago, there was no hope, now there is a beam of light. “Until the day breaks, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be like a young deer upon the mountains!” There in the distance, running directly towards you — it is your Lord

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From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 8/17/2002 10:19 PM
The Rapture Question

In the 110 Psalm we read the following: (this is copied from Truth Seekers, 2000) P.s. sure hope they do not mind- (with people would copy and carry our messages – to spread the truth more— a true Christian will be glad.

The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”.

This is the God and Father of the Lord Jesus speaking to His Son. This fact is proven beyond doubt by the Lord Himself and all of the apostles. Just one quote from the 10th. chapter of Hebrews to show that this sentence is taken with seriousness by the apostles.

Heb.10:12-13: But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, “He sat down at the right hand of God”, and since then has been waiting, “until His enemies would be made a footstool for His feet”.

No matter what I say, or some great man says, or any apostle (true or false) says, or some great bible scholar says, these words can not be broken. This is not difficult to understand. It says as plain as day that the Lord Jesus will remain in heaven by the Fathers side until the Father makes His enemies to be a footstool for His feet.

Each of us is required to live by faith. This is done by believing what God says. When we do this we “rest” in what He says. It does not matter at all that we do not see yet what is said; nor are we to rest in our “feelings” about it. When, and only when, the Father has made the enemies of our Lord Jesus footstools for His feet, can He leave heaven.

And not only do we have to “rest” in this, but the Lord Himself has to “rest” in the words as well. At this very moment, as I write and you read, the Lord Jesus is “resting” in these very words spoken to Him in the 110th. Psalm.

In the light of what the Spirit has said on the subject through king David and the apostle who wrote the book of Hebrews, let us now examine what the apostle Paul says in his first letter to the church of the Thessalonians. Chapter 4 verse 16:

For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first… (This verse has been given a name by men. It is called “the rapture”.)

Now this can not happen for any reason what ever until what is stated in the 110th. Psalm has been fulfilled. There is no way that we can get around what is clearly stated in the 110th. Psalm and the 10th. chapter of Hebrews. If you can get the Lord Jesus out of heaven and not first make His enemies a footstool for His feet your are greater than the Father.

Some say that there will be a secret rapture. He will leave heaven and come down to the cloud level, but not touch earth, snatch His own up to Him and carry then back to heaven and leave the Jews (who don’t even believe in Him as their messiah) to fulfill scripture. But in order to accomplish even this limited mission, He Himself has to leave heaven. Again, the 110th. Psalm stands in the way. Jesus is not going to do that.

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Date Posted：11/24/2014 2:18 AM

THERE IS NO RAPTURE! (this whole thread will be copied from that community)

The church systems are literally filled today with carnal, earthly-minded Christians who sit back in ease and self-complacency and await a future rapture that will translate them out of the midst of earth’s Great Tribulation at the beginning of the Day of the Lord. To this generation of Lukewarm Laodiceans the Spirit speaks in certain tones of warning: “Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light” (Amos 5:18). In the vast majority of evangelical circles we are taught that at any moment Jesus will come and secretly, silently snatch away His elect to a heaven in the far-flung skies – to escape the Great Tribulation which shall soon visit the earth. It is not true. The saints shall be “caught up” all right; but it is not speaking of distance in terms of miles or light years, but to glorious reality in the Spirit. When Christ comes to lift our inner-man nature UP into the fullness of UNION IN HIM we certainly know the reality of being raised up and made to sit together in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus. This is not a place in the sky, but a spiritual position of eminence, glory and authority. Paul says that we shall be caught up “in the air,” that sphere of influence, authority and spirit-control now occupied by “the god of this world,” the “prince and power OF THE AIR”

“Rapture” is not a biblical word. Let all of God’s people stop speaking of the “rapture.” The word rapture is not in the scripture and is at best very misleading. If instead of the rapture we speak of being caught up in the spirit (Acts 8:39; II Cor. 12:2-4; Rev. 4:1-2), translated into the Kingdom (Col. 1:13), raised up into the heavenlies with Christ (Eph. 2:5-6), and caught up into the throne, the spiritual dimension of the Christ’s authority, power and glory (Rev. 4:1-2; Rev. 3:21; Rev. 12:5) we will rid ourselves of much confusion and carnal delusion, and we will have a much better understanding of present spiritual realities and the immediate program of God.

Religionists debate loud and long about WHEN THE “RAPTURE” IS TO TAKE PLACE. Some believe in the “pre-tribulation rapture.” That means that God’s people will be removed from the earth just before the beginning of the tribulation. Thus they will not be here for any of the seven years of plagues, vials, etc. Bumper stickers state: “In case of Rapture, this car will self-destruct”. Tracts for airliners say: “In case the trumpet sounds, be prepared for this plane to crash, your pilot may be a Christian.” These are fear tactics. Then there are those who teach the “mid-tribulation rapture.” They believe that the Bible teaches that the Church will have to go through the first three and a half years of the tribulation while the Antichrist is warring against the saints, but will be raptured and spared the last three and a half years of the intense wrath and judgment of God. Finally there are the “post-tribulation” people. They teach that the Church goes through the entire seven years of tribulation, and that only after the tribulation are the saints “caught up”, as according to I Thes. 4:17. They see a Church being empowered by the Spirit of God to survive the worst onslaughts of Satan and pass through victoriously to the other side. This is an admirable concept, and much closer to the truth, but these still embrace the notion of the Rapture.

Title: The Army of Joel 2

Date Posted：11/24/2014 2:27 AM

~ The Army of Joel Two~

Joel 2

1. Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

This Trumpet blowing is speaking of the Seven Trumpets in Revelation. These Trumpets are the Wrath of the Lamb coming on the earth. This is the ministry of the Second Witness, this True Jew ( true Christian) Church which is anointed with Power from High with the Baptism of Fire. Those ‘locusts’ in Rev. 9 is this judgment ministry of the Saints of God spoken of in Psm. 149.

2. A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

Now, compare this with our first Scripture of Isa, 13. See it says the same thing: that the Day of the Lord is a day of darkness and of gloominess. Notice also that this calls this group of people the strongest, greatest people who have ever been or will be. So it would HAVE to be God’s people.

3. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

This FIRE devouring before them is their power given them by the Baptism of Fire. This is the FIRE coming out of their MOUTH as recorded in Rev. 11. They are destroying Babylon with this FIRE of God.

4. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

This appearance as horses is the horses spoken of in Rev. 9; proving that it is God’s people; not devil spirits or anything else of Satan.

5. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

See here, they (these horses; horsemen; the locusts of Rev. 9) are DEVOURING STUBBLE. So they would have to be God’s people. Stubble is always referred to as Satan’s people; so these people of God with the power of FIRE are destroying stubble = Satan’s people.

6. Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

Compare this with Psm. 149.

7. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

Not breaking ranks means they are true to Jesus – they do not turn aside to Satan’s side.

8. Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

This verse shows they are in such full obedience to the Word of God (the Sword) that anywhere they fall on this Word, it will not hurt them.

9. They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

This climbing up on the ‘wall’ is our tearing down the ‘wall’s of Babylon. Bringing destruction to ‘her’. Believe it or not, this entering in at the windows like a ‘thief’ is the fulfillment of Jesus coming as a THIEF. So see, this is how He comes in a way and time you think not, in a way you were not looking for Him. He comes to be GLORIFIED IN HIS SAINTS.

10. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

This verse shows it is happening at the time of the sixth seal of Rev. Read there and you will see that the very next thing after this seal opens and the darkness sets in ( this is the thick darkness spoken of in verse 2) is the Trumpets starting. The Trumpets are the wrath of the Lamb.

11. And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Need more be said to prove this is the Lord’s army?

I had thought to post all these message on the Day of the Lord under that same thread; but since each one will be long and a study of its own, I will post each one as a separate thread. I do hope all of you will get into these studies and see the truth of God’s word which the church world has destroyed with her

Oh I see now how important my job is. I must teach you all how to keep the Sabbath day right; since you insist on doing this thing. You MUST GO BY THE LAW OF GOD; you cannot just make up any old way of doing this thing ; it is invalid if you do:

So I have found one here which I know you all are mixed up on; I know for some of you already told me different from this when I asked you how you do this thing; Listen you better go and learn really how to keep the Sabbath Holy.

Read this: it is very important;

Ex. 16: 22. And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.

23. And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

24. And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
25. And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26. Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

27. And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28. And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

29. See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
30. So the people rested on the seventh day.

Now this shows you had better not fix food on Sat. Fix enough on Fri. to take you through Sat. Do NOT leave your house on Sat. Opps. I think that one will undo all of you.

Do you not go to church on Sat? I thought so. Now this shows that is sin; worthy of being stoned to death. You MUST NOT GO OUT OF YOUR HOUSE ON SAT.

YOU MUST NOT FIX FOOD ON SAT. YOU MUST NOT GO FISHING ON SAT. NOR MT. CLIMBING; NO! ESPECIALLY NOT MT CLIMBING; THAT IS TOO MUCH WORK. I AM SURE FISHING IS A LOT OF WORK TOO.

NOW, FOLKS I AM SERIOUS. I IS TRYING TO HELP SAVE YOU. YOU MUST NOT BREAK THESE SABBATH LAWS.

YOU MUST KEEP IT RIGHT; KEEP IT HOLY.

The only way to do this is to go by Moses Word. It said God commanded Moses to stone that man to death who gathered sticks on Sat. That is God’s word; God’s command. How do you get around this?
(now don’t go blaming this on those poor Pharisees — they had not one thing to do with this- this is God’s word and Moses’ word)

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Re：Is It Right to Fix Food On Sat?

Date Posted：11/24/2014 2:32 AM

From: joie Sent: 11/13/2003 1:43 AM

Hey where are all you Sabbath Keepers? Get in here and teach us how to do this thing. We are asking you to teach us by the Word of God how to keep that 7th day Holy. Why are you not anxious to teach us? You have told us zillions of time we need to do this and now we ask how and you will not tell us.

Ask me how to receive the Holy Ghost and I will get into the Book of Acts and teach you. Matter of fact, I have been doing it for years.

But all you do is tell us, you better keep the Sabbath day Holy. So Now I ask HOW? Where is your Scripture for how you do it. HOW DO YOU DO IT? Why are you not telling us? what is the big secret?

If you want some fun, take a look at the concordence at all the carrying on Jesus was doing with the Jews over this very matter. I had never really realized it till I got to studying this subject in seriousness to see how to keep this day Holy according to Moses and God.

Yaul all say the Pharisees had it going on; but I can’t find that. It seems to me God and Moses had it going on- stoning a man for gathering up some sticks on Sat. My. I would be afraid to get into all of that .

They would stone me to death the very first week. for sure. that thing of not going out of the house on Sat. would get me killed for sure. unless it was raining REAL hard.

I might not be too interested in starting a fire or gathering sticks, but to not go out of the house all day; and have to eat yesterdays food, (wonder if it was wrong to get up and heat it up?) Do any of you know? If so ,please inform me. I could cook it on Fri. but is it alright to heat it up on Sat? Do you leave the dishes on the table till Sun?

I would be very afraid in this part of it — for it seems to me that even getting up and walking around the kitchen to heat the food up might pass for severial work and get me stoned to death. whew! it is scarry to even think about.

I know me – I’d be done forgot and go out that door and get to picking up those sticks out there so me can cut grass; I ‘d probable be so stupid ( after all, lots of people keeps telling me that me is stupid) that I’d get out there cutting grass on Sat. and get meself stoned to death.

LoLady, is you afraid of this stuff too? I sure is. Makes me weak all over to think about having to make sure I dont fix food on Sat.

(sure glad I is in Grace)

Wonder what Jesus meant when he said, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath? Do you Sabbath keepers know? If so, please tell me.

He sure had a hard time of this matter with those Jews who were so devoted to that Sat business.

Now here’s some strong stuff:

Mark 3
1. And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
2. And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
3. And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
4. And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5. And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
6. And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.

v2–they are eyeing Jesus to see if he heals on the sabbath (see, they is afraid of God stoning them to death and bring his wrath on them for breaking that Holy day)
they wanted to accuse Jesus as I get accused so much……..

v4–He is debating with them……… Is is lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? (might killed by stoning if you pick up a stick)

v5–Jesus became angry at the because of their HARD HEART (see that law in their heart made it hard)

v6– then the Jews took counsel to get him destroyed —– WHY? HE BROKE THEIR 7TH DAY SABBATH RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM — JUST PLAIN OUT DEFIED THEM AND IT AND HEALED THAT MAN —- WORKING ON THAT DAY.

I LOVE YOU JESUS. PRAISE GOD YOU TOOK US OUT FROM UNDER THAT HORRIBLE STUFF OF BEING STONED TO DEATH FOR ANY WORK ON SAT.

WHEW!!! tHANK GOD FOR THAT.
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Who Is Who?

The Word of God teaches that there is but one God, the Father. Jesus is not God but the Son of God. There is only one that can be the Father. The scripture no where states that Jesus was God.

Why you all can not see this is beyond me? You take John 1:14 and destroy the meaning of it and you try to make it say something that the word does not say. The same thing with John 1:1 such as what Enkraw has done.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jesus is the Word. The Son of God is the Word. Christ is the Word ( Enkraw)

Would some one please show me 1 scripture that says that Jesus is the word or that the Son of God is the word or also that Christ is the word? He evens divides Jesus Christ here putting Jesus one place and Christ in the other. Can the body of Jesus Christ be divided? Certainly not.

1 Cor. 8:6 -But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, ( see he said there was one Lord with a small ord which means Jesus Christ and then he says beside that we have

4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all ( he is above all even Jesus Christ the Son Of God. Do you not remember where Jesus himself said my Father is greater than I. Jesus is the Son Of God not the supreme Almighty God. Jesus never said that he was God.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ( I hope you see the conjunction and there which means someone else than the only true God .

Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ

1 Cor 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. ( How could this be if he was the Father? Is Jesus going to deliver the kingdom up to himself and put down all rule and all authority and power.? If so who is going to have the rule and authority and power? Is he is going to pick it back up? If so why did he put it down? Would some one please explain this to me?

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: ( If Jesus is God which he is not tell me who is this God of out Lord Jesus Christ that is going to give unto you this spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him?

2 John1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. ( See by the word from there he is separating the Father from the son. Not the unity but he was showing that the Father is different from the son. He also said that Jesus Christ was the Son of the Father not the Father himself.

1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; ( He said here is one God and one mediator, now how hard is it to add one + one and what do u get? A mediator is a go between two parties which happen to be Jesus, he is the only way man can get to the one God. Now if he is the mediator between man and God, would someone please tell me how he can be God? If Jesus Himself was God , as Trinitarians say, tell me how could he be a mediator ?

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me( Okay, their law stated that it takes the testimony of two men to be true, so what did Jesus say? He said I bear witness of myself, ( one-man) and the Father that send me bear witness of me ( two). Again showing that the Father and Son are different but once again as I explained before not in the unity.)
The New Testament is full of scriptures stating that Jesus is the Son of God.

God is the God of Jesus. Jesus recognized the Father, the one true God, as His God. Jesus never claimed to be God Himself. There is no scripture saying this. If it is not written it is not true.

There is scripture proving that God was the God of Jesus.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Math. 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

We could produce many more scriptures where Jesus called the Father his God but space is limited and some of you will say this is to long. But there are scriptures in the Old Testament where Jesus is talking to God.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. ( see he said he went unto the Father which was greater than himself.

John10:30 I and my Father are one. . . ( Jesus was not stating that him and his Father was one here as the Trinitarians say and as the ONENESS people say. He referred to the unity such as was on the day of Pentecost where they were in one mind and one accord. Jesus prayed that this same unity would become a reality among his followers.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. (see the plural word we there. If Jesus was God so are we because he said let them be one as we are one.)
Jesus lived as God’s servant. He yielded perfect obedience to His Father. He always did those things that pleased God. This showed that Jesus recognized God as greater than he.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. ( Jesus received his knowledge from God because he said here that his Father had taught him what to do. Now if this is so how could he be God as the Trinitarians say and the oneness people say? God knows all things, Jesus did not. Boy did I really hit a nail ? To show you this I have scripture to prove it? You ought to know by now that myself or joie does not say what we can not show in the word. Now here is proof.

Mark13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father( See that is the best way to prove anything is by the word and the word said that hour knoweth no man, not even the Son, but only the Father. If the Son was the Father which again he is not, how come Jesus did not knoweth the hour?
God is perfect in knowledge. Jesus had to increase in knowledge.

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. . ( increase means that he began to grow in the wisdom and knowledge of God as we should. You know a lots of time we say we want to be like Jesus, well let your wisdom and stature increase and that is the way to find favor with God and man.
Jesus said that Son can do nothing of himself, he only does what the Father tells him to do and speaks the things the Father tells him to speak.

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. .

5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. ( see all Jesus wanted done was the will of the Father. He did not seek his own will as you know he said in the garden not my will but thine will be done.
There is so much more that I could add to this but this probably is already to much for some of you and I doubt that some has not even got this far. Besides I have been here on this for about 3 hours and I am so tired that I do not know whether I can get out of this chair or not, but this is the truth and you need to increase in wisdom of who the Son of God is and who the Father is.

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Re：Who is Who

Date Posted：11/24/2014 2:36 AM

From: joie Sent: 7/24/2003 12:48 PM

LUKE 24:; 26. Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Now I have shown this many times. When will you read it?

This clearly proves that Jesus suffered FIRST before he ENTERED INTO HIS GLORY.

If you ENTER INTO SOMETHING, then you were not already there. Jesus was not in GLORY when he was walking around here on earth in a mortal, corruptible body. Paul said it is SOWN = (burried) in weakness, It is RAISED IN POWER = RESURRECTIONS.

THIS IS THE GLORY.

Paul said it is sown in DISHONOUR; IT IS RAISED IN GLORY. (1Cor. 15: 43.)

Now if you wish to say Jesus’ mortal, corruptible body which they burried is that GLORY, then go and tell Paul he LIED. HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT HE WAS SAYING.

Am I not the one saying what the Word says? Sure I am. Nowhere is it said that the first man Adam, = (humanity) was GLORY AND POWER THIS SIDE OF THE RESURRECTION.

If it was, what need did we have of a Saviour?

Tell me that; if it already is glory and power, why need a resurrection?

The GLORY which the Word was made, which dwelt among us, which we beheld, and still behold by faith, is THE RESURRECTED CHRIST.

This is the same one who walked up to God on his Throne and TOOK THE BOOK OF LIFE OUT OF GOD’S HANDS AND NOW HOLDS OUR REDEMPTION IN HIS OWN HANDS, THIS IS THE GLORY, THIS IS THAT POWER, THIS IS THAT RESURRECTED CHRIST.

JESUS BORE THIS CHIRST, THIS PERFECT SON OF GOD. BY HIS PERFECT, SINLESS, OBEDIENT LIFE AND HIS RESURRECTION.

You have no concept what took place there. But here is what took place; (Scripture; not my words)

Luke 24: 46. And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Now this verse proves yet more that Jesus SUFFERED before he was RAISED to power and glory.

39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus said God is a Spirit. Here after his resurrection, he declares to them that he is NOT A SPIRIT; HE IS STILL FLESH AND BONES.

NOW THIS IS THE FLESH WHICH THE WORD WAS MADE. THIS GLORIFIED FLESH IS WHAT YOU SEE IN REV. 19 CALLED THE WORD OF GOD. NOT THAT WEAK, MORTAL FLESH WHICH MAN KILLED. THAT IS NO MORE.

NOW JESUS IS RAISED TO POWER AND LIFE, NOW TO RETURN NO MORE TO CORRUPTION. SO SAID THE MAN WITH THE KEYS, PETER. IF YOU THINK I AM WRONG, THEN GO TELL PETER HE LIED.

Matt. 28: 18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth

(Why did you not read verse 18 when you read 19?)

Jesus here, after his resurrection into his GLORY, told them, ALL POWER is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth.

Get that? GIVEN TO ME. What? He is the eternal God, co-equal with God? and this power had to be GIVEN to him?
Explain. Also explain where the verse is which says Jesus, the second person in the God head is or was CO-EQUAL with God) I just never read that anywhere in the Book.

This GIVING OF THE POWER TO JESUS IS WHAT TOOK PLACE IN THAT THRONE ROOM WHEN THAT SLAIM LAMB WENT UP TO GOD SITIING ON HIS THRONE AND TOOK THAT BOOK INTO HIS OWN HANDS.

No, it is not as your carnal mind leads you to believe **** Jesus is NOT ANOTHER GOD; JESUS IS NOT IN COMPETITION WITH GOD.

Shows you have no concept of ONENESS. There is no competition; there is no jealousy; there is no conflict.

YES, NOW JESUS IS MY GOD; BUT ONLY BECAUSE HIS GOD SET IT THIS WAY. GOD THE FATHER SET HIS SON JESUS IN THE SAME PLACE OF POWER AND AUTHORITY AS

GOD HIMSELF HAS. JESUS IS NOW ONE WITH GOD. YOU HAVE NO CONCEPT OF WHAT THIS MEANS. ALL YOUR WORDS PROVE IT.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22 (Original Message) Sent: 11/17/2005 7:36 PM
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I just wanted to post a few Scriptures about love. Love is a beautiful thing.

Matt.5:9-Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Mat.4:4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matt.5:25-Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Matt. 5:43-48–Ye have heard that it hath been said, thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans the same?

And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? Do not even the publicans so?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Matt. 6:14-For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

v15. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matt.7:3-5.And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4. Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5.Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thime own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

John 14:21-24. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me; and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23.Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.

1John 2:5, 9-11.But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

9.He that saith he is is the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

10.He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

11.But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hate blinded his eyes.

1Jn.3: 13-18.Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

14.We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

15.Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

16.Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

17.But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

18.My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1Jn.4:7-`12.20,21.Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8.He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

9.In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10.Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11.Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

20.If a man say I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

21.And this commandment have we from him, that he who loveth God love his brother also.

1Jn. 5:1-3.Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2.By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3.For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.1

11Jn:5.And Now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

God bless all

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Re：Love

Date Posted：11/24/2014 2:43 AM

From: Isaiah Sent: 11/17/2005 8:07 PM
First of all I an no poet or singer but I thought this was real cute. It may not mean much to you but it was so wonderful to me that as the Lord began to give this to me tears began to flow down my cheeks. This is what he gave me and it may not be much to you but it is a lots to me.
Charity is love that builds your brother up;

Charity is love that never tears your brother down;

Charity is love that brings your brother around;

Charity is love that will never take your brother to the ground.

1Cor13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

013:002 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.( see he said that a person could have all these gifts of the spirit and still not have the greatest gift of all and that being charity. Without love he said it would all be in vain.)

013:003 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

013:004 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

013:005 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

013:006 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

013:007 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

013:013 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. ( he said that you could have all the faith and hope. Which is find and good but he said charity is the greatest of the three. No way am I talking against faith or hope and the one’s that know me know this.)

014:001 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

014:002 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

014:003 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

014:004 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

014:005 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying

014:031 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

Some may say well I don’t have the gift of prophecy. Well I am telling you that you do. Go to Rev.-19:10-

019:010 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

See it said we all may prophesy. That is what the people that are giving these beautiful testimonies are doing and what this does it edifies the saints of God. Get in here and give us a testimony. These people are trying to show you love and to be a witness for the Lord. It is not anything that they do but they are just telling how the Lord used them in certain situations.

Math-005:043 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

005:044 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

Mat.22:037- Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 022:038 This is the first and great commandment.

022:039- And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself

Mark-12:033- And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices

Luke-6:27- But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

006:028-Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

006:035 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

John-13:034- A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

013:035 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

015:012 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 015:013 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

015:017 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Rom-5:5- And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

012:009 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

012:010 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

013:008 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

013:009 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

013:010 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law

2 Cor.-13:11- Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Gal.-5:013-For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

005:014-For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself

005:022 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Eph.-3:017- That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love

003:019 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

004:002- With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

05:002 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

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