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: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 9/29/2003 5:56 PM
 

~~ Name or Title? ~~

There are many who mistakenly think that Jesus is the name of the Father. They think this is the name of the God of the O.T. They say that all the others words given for people to call God by are ‘just titles’. But, is there any Scripture to support such a teaching? I ask anyone who teaches or believes this, to find just one Scripture saying this.

I will give many Scriptures showing that God went by many different NAMES. But first I want to show you by the Strong’s Concordance, that the word ‘title’ is never used for these ‘names’.

The ONLY time the word ‘title’ is used in all of the O.T. writings is in 11kings 23:17. This refers to the tomb of the Man of God, which went down from Judah and prophesied at Bethel.

There are only two references to the word title in the N.T. This is John 19:19, 20. This refers to the title Pilate wrote over Jesus on the cross.

The word is used in the plural only two times. In Job 32: 21, 22–where it speaks against giving flattering titles unto men.

I say before people go teaching others such things, they should take the time to do some studying of the Word. If the word ‘title’ is never referred to as something God was called by, who gave men the right to bring up such a teaching? I think it very ironic that those who lift themselves up as holding only to the KJV, are the very ones who bring up teaching not spoken in the KJV.

Exodus 3:14–And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

V15–And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is MY NAME for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Now, I ask you, did God say This is only a title of mine? No!!!! He said this is NAME. Who do you believe?

Exodus 6:3—And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the NAME of God Almighty, but by my NAME JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Here God spoke of two more NAMES he revealed himself by: God Almighty and Jehovah. He did NOT say these are titles; he said these are my name.

Exodus 15:3—The LORD is a man of war; the LORD is his NAME. (Once again, it said NAME, not title).

Exodus 34:14—For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is JEALOUS, is a jealous God.

Here he said his name is Jealous—it used a Capital letter–showing a proper name. When the adjective, jealous is used to describe him, it uses a small J.

Who are you to say God did not mean what He said? He said Jealous was his NAME, NOT A TITLE.

11Chor. 7:14–If my people, which are called by my NAME, shall humble themselves, and pray….

Here God said his people were called by His Name; so what were they called? Israel. So–Israel was God’s name. He only let Jacob go by His Name.

`Psm 68:4–Here we are told to extol God by his name JAH. It did not say his title, jah.

Psm. 83:18–That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth.

See he only has the NAME OF JEHOVAH.

And one verse the Jesus only people like to distort and misuse:

Isa. 42:8—I am the LORD; that is my NAME; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

See, this says LORD is his NAME; did not say his title.

Isa. 47:4–As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy one of Israel.

Isa. 51:15–But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his NAME.

Two verses saying the Lord of hosts is his NAME.

Isa. 54:5—For the Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his NAME…

Isa. 57:15—For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy;

This capital H in Holy makes it a proper name; not an adjective.

In another Scripture, He had told them at each place where he placed His name, he would appear to them.

Jer. 7: This and several others say that the temple at Jerusalem was called by His Name.

V10–And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name— So what did, they call the house?

V12–But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first…

So, Shiloh was also His Name.

Jer. 14:9–..yet thou, O LORD, are in the midst of us, and we are called by thy name;—

So, what were they called? Israel.

Jer. 25:29–For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name,—- this city is Jerusalem. So, Jerusalem was the NAME OF GOD.

I will give another Scripture showing this in Daniel.

18:…the city which is called by thy name…

v19—…O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.

So, Israel and Jerusalem were the NAME of God.

Jer. 31:35–….The LORD of hosts is his NAME.

Jer.. 32:18–…The Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts is his NAME.

Jer. 46:18—As I live, saith the KING, WHOSE NAME IS THE LORD OF HOSTS…

Jer. 48:15—…. saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.

Jer. 50:34–Their Redeemer is strong; the LORD of hosts is his NAME….

Jer. 51:19—….the LORD of hosts is his name.

Jer. 51:57-….saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.

Amos 4:13–For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind,….. the LORD, The God of hosts, is his NAME.

Amos 5:27—….saith the LORD, whose NAME is The God of hosts.

v8–says The LORD is his NAME.

Amos 9:6–…The LORD is his name.

Zech. 6:12—Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD.

This prophecy is clearly speaking of Jesus. It says he is a MAN whose NAME is The BRANCH. It did not say his title is the Branch.

(I thought you believed in going by the KJV). What do you do with all these Scriptures? Say they are mistranslated?

Now, I ask those of you saying this, to show one Scripture where God or Jesus ever went by even ONE TITLE.

Jo Smith

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~~ Name or Title? ~~

There are many who mistakenly think that Jesus is the name of the Father. They think this is the name of the God of the O.T. They say that all the others words given for people to call God by are ‘just titles’. But, is there any Scripture to support such a teaching? I ask anyone who teaches or believes this, to find just one Scripture saying this.

I will give many Scriptures showing that God went by many different NAMES. But first I want to show you by the Strong’s Concordance, that the word ‘title’ is never used for these ‘names’.

The ONLY time the word ‘title’ is used in all of the O.T. writings is in 11kings 23:17. This refers to the tomb of the Man of God, which went down from Judah and prophesied at Bethel.

There are only two references to the word title in the N.T. This is John 19:19, 20. This refers to the title Pilate wrote over Jesus on the cross.

The word is used in the plural only two times. In Job 32: 21, 22–where it speaks against giving flattering titles unto men.

I say before people go teaching others such things, they should take the time to do some studying of the Word. If the word ‘title’ is never referred to as something God was called by, who gave men the right to bring up such a teaching? I think it very ironic that those who lift themselves up as holding only to the KJV, are the very ones who bring up teaching not spoken in the KJV.

Exodus 3:14–And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

V15–And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is MY NAME for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Now, I ask you, did God say This is only a title of mine? No!!!! He said this is NAME. Who do you believe?

Exodus 6:3—And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the NAME of God Almighty, but by my NAME JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Here God spoke of two more NAMES he revealed himself by: God Almighty and Jehovah. He did NOT say these are titles; he said these are my name.

Exodus 15:3—The LORD is a man of war; the LORD is his NAME. (Once again, it said NAME, not title).

Exodus 34:14—For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is JEALOUS, is a jealous God.

Here he said his name is Jealous—it used a Capital letter–showing a proper name. When the adjective, jealous is used to describe him, it uses a small J.

Who are you to say God did not mean what He said? He said Jealous was his NAME, NOT A TITLE.

11Chor. 7:14–If my people, which are called by my NAME, shall humble themselves, and pray….

Here God said his people were called by His Name; so what were they called? Israel. So–Israel was God’s name. He only let Jacob go by His Name.

`Psm 68:4–Here we are told to extol God by his name JAH. It did not say his title, jah.

Psm. 83:18–That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth.

See he only has the NAME OF JEHOVAH.

And one verse the Jesus only people like to distort and misuse:

Isa. 42:8—I am the LORD; that is my NAME; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

See, this says LORD is his NAME; did not say his title.

Isa. 47:4–As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy one of Israel.

Isa. 51:15–But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his NAME.

Two verses saying the Lord of hosts is his NAME.

Isa. 54:5—For the Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his NAME…

Isa. 57:15—For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy;

This capital H in Holy makes it a proper name; not an adjective.

In another Scripture, He had told them at each place where he placed His name, he would appear to them.

Jer. 7: This and several others say that the temple at Jerusalem was called by His Name.

V10–And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name— So what did, they call the house?

V12–But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first…

So, Shiloh was also His Name.

Jer. 14:9–..yet thou, O LORD, are in the midst of us, and we are called by thy name;—

So, what were they called? Israel.

Jer. 25:29–For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name,—- this city is Jerusalem. So, Jerusalem was the NAME OF GOD.

I will give another Scripture showing this in Daniel.

18:…the city which is called by thy name…

v19—…O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.

So, Israel and Jerusalem were the NAME of God.

Jer. 31:35–….The LORD of hosts is his NAME.

Jer.. 32:18–…The Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts is his NAME.

Jer. 46:18—As I live, saith the KING, WHOSE NAME IS THE LORD OF HOSTS…

Jer. 48:15—…. saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.

Jer. 50:34–Their Redeemer is strong; the LORD of hosts is his NAME….

Jer. 51:19—….the LORD of hosts is his name.

Jer. 51:57-….saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.

Amos 4:13–For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind,….. the LORD, The God of hosts, is his NAME.

Amos 5:27—….saith the LORD, whose NAME is The God of hosts.

v8–says The LORD is his NAME.

Amos 9:6–…The LORD is his name.

Zech. 6:12—Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD.

This prophecy is clearly speaking of Jesus. It says he is a MAN whose NAME is The BRANCH. It did not say his title is the Branch.

(I thought you believed in going by the KJV). What do you do with all these Scriptures? Say they are mistranslated?

Now, I ask those of you saying this, to show one Scripture where God or Jesus ever went by even ONE TITLE.

Jo

What About These Sabbaths?

OK. Now let’s let this community see who has the truth of this matter. Let the one who proves how to keep the Sabbath Holy by the Word of God be the one who has God teaching them truth. I am on my way. Care to join me?

Now I am studying this throughly. I am going to post quite a few Scriptures PROVING HOW GOD WANTS THE SABBATH KEPT HOLY.

I tell you, if you are still under obligation to keep that 7th day, you are ALSO BOUND TO KEEP ALL THE OTHER SABBATHS. THE SAME GOD WHO SAID KEEP THE 7TH DAY SABBATH ALSO SAID KEEP THESE OTHER SABBATHS.

WHAT YOU GONNA DO ABOUT THIS? DO YOU KEEP ALL OF THEM? HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY BY THE WORD, NOT KEEPING THE OTHERS, IF YOU DO NOT?

Leviticus 23
1. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2. Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.
4. These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

5. In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s passover.
6. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

7. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8. But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
(this throws this day to fall on the first day of the week, Sunday.)the 14th day and the 15th day could not both be on a sat.

9. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
10. Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11. And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

12. And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the Lord. (this types Jesus)

13. And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
14. And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

15. And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16. Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.

Do you know why they were told in verse 16 to number fifty days and offer a NEW MEAT OFFERING UNTO THE LORD?

Because this thing TYPED the coming of the true meat offering to God, the Baptism of the Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost! It came 50 days AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS. That is why!

It was ONLY TYPES AND SHADOWS! SO WHY CONTINUE TO KEEP THE SHADOWS WHEN THE REAL THING HAS COME?

If you are under a command to keep the weekly Sabbath, you are also under a command to keep this one on the 5oth day (which by the way falls on the first day of the week)-

And if you still keep this type of Pentecost, it PROVES YOU DID NOT GET TO THE REAL PENTECOST.

AND IF YOU REFUSE THIS, YOU HAVE NO SALVATION.

23. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
24. Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25. Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.

26. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
27. Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.

28. And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God.

29. For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30. And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31. Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

32. It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
33. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

34. Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the Lord.

35. On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. (this one falls on Sunday)

36. Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
(the 8th day is a Sunday)

37. These are the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38. Beside the sabbaths of the Lord, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the Lord.

Now there are some more Sabbaths you are to keep and rest in and do no work in. Do you keep these Sabbaths? If not, where is your excuse? Where is your Scripture showing you are free from these Sabbaths, but not free from the weekly Sabbath? You are guilty of twisting too much Scripture.

There are actually more Sabbaths down through here which fall on the 1st day of the Week (Sunday) than the 7th day sabbath.
So where do you stand? They are just as much commandments from God as the other.

No where in this reading is any Pharisees mentioned. It said at the beginning of each new thought God commanded Moses – God said to Moses-

People, this is God’s Word; not the word of the Pharisees. Where did you all get this lame excuse to do away with the real way of keeping it Holy?

You are running away from God and truth.

Look at v.36– there again a Sabbath fell on the first day of the Week. Do you keep it? You had better – the same God who commanded the 7th day rest, also demanded rest on this day.
All of this business CLEARLY types the coming of the true rest, the Baptism of the Holy Ghost on Pentecost SUNDAY.

You cannot deny that this day fell on a Sunday. For it was 7 Weekly sabbaths, then one more day, making 50 days, which throws the true Sabbath, Pentecost to fall on a SUNDAY.

What you gonna do about this?
(you see, I am not ignorant about Sabbaths as you all thought I was.)

Now I want some discussion on each of these topics and new threads I have made from our old discussion of this subject. I want all of you adventist and law people to get in here and study this thing out and be truthful with God and His word. If not then you say to God his truth is not important and you will be lost.

I have warned you and warned you. It is serious; I am not joking or jesting with you. Nothing is more serious. without honesty and truth With God, You have no chance for salvation; only a fearful looking to of fiery indignation from an angry God who will DEVOUR THE ADVERSARY.

Unless you love truth and study to find truth, you are his ADVERSARY.

JO
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Re：What About These Sabbaths?

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From: joie Sent: 11/13/2003 1:46 AM

Hey where are all you Sabbath Keepers? Get in here and teach us how to do this thing. We are asking you to teach us by the Word of God how to keep that 7th day Holy. Why are you not anxious to teach us? You have told us zillions of time we need to do this and now we ask how and you will not tell us.

Ask me how to receive the Holy Ghost and I will get into the Book of Acts and teach you. Matter of fact, I have been doing it for years.

But all you do is tell us, you better keep the Sabbath day Holy. So Now I ask HOW? Where is your Scripture for how you do it. HOW DO YOU DO IT? Why are you not telling us? what is the big secret?

If you want some fun, take a look at the concordence at all the carrying on Jesus was doing with the Jews over this very matter. I had never really realized it till I got to studying this subject in seriousness to see how to keep this day Holy according to Moses and God.

Yaul all say the Pharisees had it going on; but I can’t find that. It seems to me God and Moses had it going on- stoning a man for gathering up some sticks on Sat. My. I would be afraid to get into all of that .

They would stone me to death the very first week. for sure. that thing of not going out of the house on Sat. would get me killed for sure. unless it was raining REAL hard.

I might not be too interested in starting a fire or gathering sticks, but to not go out of the house all day; and have to eat yesterdays food, (wonder if it was wrong to get up and heat it up?) Do any of you know? If so ,please inform me. I could cook it on Fri. but is it alright to heat it up on Sat? Do you leave the dishes on the table till Sun?

I would be very afraid in this part of it — for it seems to me that even getting up and walking around the kitchen to heat the food up might pass for severial work and get me stoned to death. whew! it is scarry to even think about.

I know me – I’d be done forgot and go out that door and get to picking up those sticks out there so me can cut grass; I ‘d probable be so stupid ( after all, lots of people keeps telling me that me is stupid) that I’d get out there cutting grass on Sat. and get meself stoned to death.

LoLady, is you afraid of this stuff too? I sure is. Makes me weak all over to think about having to make sure I dont fix food on Sat.

(sure glad I is in Grace)

Wonder what Jesus meant when he said, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath? Do you Sabbath keepers know? If so, please tell me.

He sure had a hard time of this matter with those Jews who were so devoted to that Sat business.

Now here’s some strong stuff:

Mark 3
1. And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
2. And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
3. And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
4. And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5. And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
6. And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.

v2–they are eyeing Jesus to see if he heals on the sabbath (see, they is afraid of God stoning them to death and bring his wrath on them for breaking that Holy day)
they wanted to accuse Jesus as I get accused so much……..

v4–He is debating with them……… Is is lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? (might killed by stoning if you pick up a stick)

v5–Jesus became angry at the because of their HARD HEART (see that law in their heart made it hard)

v6– then the Jews took counsel to get him destroyed —– WHY? HE BROKE THEIR 7TH DAY SABBATH RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM — JUST PLAIN OUT DEFIED THEM AND IT AND HEALED THAT MAN —- WORKING ON THAT DAY.

I LOVE YOU JESUS. PRAISE GOD YOU TOOK US OUT FROM UNDER THAT HORRIBLE STUFF OF BEING STONED TO DEATH FOR ANY WORK ON SAT.

WHEW!!! tHANK GOD FOR THAT.

The Darkness Before The Dawn

Title: The Darkness Before The Dawn

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Date Posted：11/24/2014 2:16 AM

From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 12/5/2003 9:45 AM
The Darkness Before the Dawn

By David Sisler

The Song of Solomon is one of the most exciting books in the Old Testament. It is also one of the world’s greatest love poems. An unnamed couple, a king and a common peasant girl, fall in love. For eight beautiful chapters they sing to each other of their devotion. In this powerful picture of human love, many people who study the Bible find an illustration of the love between Jesus and his Church.

One night the young woman found herself alone. There is no explanation given for her situation. All we know for certain is, she was experiencing darkness. It was both a physical darkness, the darkness of the night, and a spiritual darkness, the absence of the one she loved.

There is no indication she had done anything to drive her love away. He was simply absent from her side at that moment. While it is true that Jesus said, “I will never leave you. I will never forsake you,” there are nevertheless times when we feel darkness all around us and we feel that we are alone. We have not sinned, we have done nothing to drive the Lord away, if, in fact, we could ever drive Him away. But in that moment, there is darkness, and nothing more.

To that moment and to that darkness, the young woman speaks: “Until the day breaks, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be like a young deer upon the mountains!” Those words are full of excitement. She recognizes her situation. It is dark and lonely. But she also recognizes that situation will not last forever. The one she loves has not abandoned her. He will come to her.

God’s child may walk one day, with full assurance of faith, and at another time he may be sighing instead of singing, weeping instead of rejoicing. But it is only a temporary darkness. The shadows are only momentary. The young woman said, “Until the day breaks, until the shadows flee away.” The day will break! The shadows will flee away! The Lover of our souls will come to us “leaping across the mountains, bounding over the hills.”

If you are, right at this moment, experiencing darkness, if the shadows are creeping in and blurring your vision of faith, what do you do?

First of all, wait with patience. For reasons that you do not understand, it is your Lord who has called you into this darkness. He has posted you to this position to serve Him. It is not a darkness of sin, it is not a darkness that would come from abandoning the Lord; it is a darkness of testing.

Second, don’t think of deserting because it is night. Do you remember the night when He prayed in anguish until His sweat was like drops of blood? That prayer was for your survival when you were called on to face your darkness. Hold on. Dawn is coming.

Third, keep watching. There are only so many hours of night. Then the dawn will break. While your soul is watching for the morning, don’t look toward the direction you last saw the sun go down. Look to where you know it will come up again. You may not be able to see Him in your time of testing, but He can see you! Like the disciples that night on storm-tossed Galilee, He can come to you in your darkness.

Fourth, you may be enclosed by darkness, but the darkness cannot get inside of you. The world lives in darkness. Sinners love darkness because it hides their wickedness. Don’t let those who live in darkness tantalize you into carelessness because their fate will be an eternal darkness.

Finally, be expectant. Look! Can’t you see that first gray finger of the dawn? A moment ago, there was no hope, now there is a beam of light. “Until the day breaks, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be like a young deer upon the mountains!” There in the distance, running directly towards you — it is your Lord

The Rapture Question

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Date Posted：11/24/2014 2:18 AM

From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 8/17/2002 10:19 PM
The Rapture Question

In the 110 Psalm we read the following: (this is copied from Truth Seekers, 2000) P.s. sure hope they do not mind- (with people would copy and carry our messages – to spread the truth more— a true Christian will be glad.

The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”.

This is the God and Father of the Lord Jesus speaking to His Son. This fact is proven beyond doubt by the Lord Himself and all of the apostles. Just one quote from the 10th. chapter of Hebrews to show that this sentence is taken with seriousness by the apostles.

Heb.10:12-13: But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, “He sat down at the right hand of God”, and since then has been waiting, “until His enemies would be made a footstool for His feet”.

No matter what I say, or some great man says, or any apostle (true or false) says, or some great bible scholar says, these words can not be broken. This is not difficult to understand. It says as plain as day that the Lord Jesus will remain in heaven by the Fathers side until the Father makes His enemies to be a footstool for His feet.

Each of us is required to live by faith. This is done by believing what God says. When we do this we “rest” in what He says. It does not matter at all that we do not see yet what is said; nor are we to rest in our “feelings” about it. When, and only when, the Father has made the enemies of our Lord Jesus footstools for His feet, can He leave heaven.

And not only do we have to “rest” in this, but the Lord Himself has to “rest” in the words as well. At this very moment, as I write and you read, the Lord Jesus is “resting” in these very words spoken to Him in the 110th. Psalm.

In the light of what the Spirit has said on the subject through king David and the apostle who wrote the book of Hebrews, let us now examine what the apostle Paul says in his first letter to the church of the Thessalonians. Chapter 4 verse 16:

For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first… (This verse has been given a name by men. It is called “the rapture”.)

Now this can not happen for any reason what ever until what is stated in the 110th. Psalm has been fulfilled. There is no way that we can get around what is clearly stated in the 110th. Psalm and the 10th. chapter of Hebrews. If you can get the Lord Jesus out of heaven and not first make His enemies a footstool for His feet your are greater than the Father.

Some say that there will be a secret rapture. He will leave heaven and come down to the cloud level, but not touch earth, snatch His own up to Him and carry then back to heaven and leave the Jews (who don’t even believe in Him as their messiah) to fulfill scripture. But in order to accomplish even this limited mission, He Himself has to leave heaven. Again, the 110th. Psalm stands in the way. Jesus is not going to do that.

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THERE IS NO RAPTURE! (this whole thread will be copied from that community)

The church systems are literally filled today with carnal, earthly-minded Christians who sit back in ease and self-complacency and await a future rapture that will translate them out of the midst of earth’s Great Tribulation at the beginning of the Day of the Lord. To this generation of Lukewarm Laodiceans the Spirit speaks in certain tones of warning: “Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light” (Amos 5:18). In the vast majority of evangelical circles we are taught that at any moment Jesus will come and secretly, silently snatch away His elect to a heaven in the far-flung skies – to escape the Great Tribulation which shall soon visit the earth. It is not true. The saints shall be “caught up” all right; but it is not speaking of distance in terms of miles or light years, but to glorious reality in the Spirit. When Christ comes to lift our inner-man nature UP into the fullness of UNION IN HIM we certainly know the reality of being raised up and made to sit together in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus. This is not a place in the sky, but a spiritual position of eminence, glory and authority. Paul says that we shall be caught up “in the air,” that sphere of influence, authority and spirit-control now occupied by “the god of this world,” the “prince and power OF THE AIR”

“Rapture” is not a biblical word. Let all of God’s people stop speaking of the “rapture.” The word rapture is not in the scripture and is at best very misleading. If instead of the rapture we speak of being caught up in the spirit (Acts 8:39; II Cor. 12:2-4; Rev. 4:1-2), translated into the Kingdom (Col. 1:13), raised up into the heavenlies with Christ (Eph. 2:5-6), and caught up into the throne, the spiritual dimension of the Christ’s authority, power and glory (Rev. 4:1-2; Rev. 3:21; Rev. 12:5) we will rid ourselves of much confusion and carnal delusion, and we will have a much better understanding of present spiritual realities and the immediate program of God.

Religionists debate loud and long about WHEN THE “RAPTURE” IS TO TAKE PLACE. Some believe in the “pre-tribulation rapture.” That means that God’s people will be removed from the earth just before the beginning of the tribulation. Thus they will not be here for any of the seven years of plagues, vials, etc. Bumper stickers state: “In case of Rapture, this car will self-destruct”. Tracts for airliners say: “In case the trumpet sounds, be prepared for this plane to crash, your pilot may be a Christian.” These are fear tactics. Then there are those who teach the “mid-tribulation rapture.” They believe that the Bible teaches that the Church will have to go through the first three and a half years of the tribulation while the Antichrist is warring against the saints, but will be raptured and spared the last three and a half years of the intense wrath and judgment of God. Finally there are the “post-tribulation” people. They teach that the Church goes through the entire seven years of tribulation, and that only after the tribulation are the saints “caught up”, as according to I Thes. 4:17. They see a Church being empowered by the Spirit of God to survive the worst onslaughts of Satan and pass through victoriously to the other side. This is an admirable concept, and much closer to the truth, but these still embrace the notion of the Rapture.

Joel 2

Title: The Army of Joel 2

Date Posted：11/24/2014 2:27 AM

~ The Army of Joel Two~

Joel 2

1. Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

This Trumpet blowing is speaking of the Seven Trumpets in Revelation. These Trumpets are the Wrath of the Lamb coming on the earth. This is the ministry of the Second Witness, this True Jew ( true Christian) Church which is anointed with Power from High with the Baptism of Fire. Those ‘locusts’ in Rev. 9 is this judgment ministry of the Saints of God spoken of in Psm. 149.

2. A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

Now, compare this with our first Scripture of Isa, 13. See it says the same thing: that the Day of the Lord is a day of darkness and of gloominess. Notice also that this calls this group of people the strongest, greatest people who have ever been or will be. So it would HAVE to be God’s people.

3. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

This FIRE devouring before them is their power given them by the Baptism of Fire. This is the FIRE coming out of their MOUTH as recorded in Rev. 11. They are destroying Babylon with this FIRE of God.

4. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

This appearance as horses is the horses spoken of in Rev. 9; proving that it is God’s people; not devil spirits or anything else of Satan.

5. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

See here, they (these horses; horsemen; the locusts of Rev. 9) are DEVOURING STUBBLE. So they would have to be God’s people. Stubble is always referred to as Satan’s people; so these people of God with the power of FIRE are destroying stubble = Satan’s people.

6. Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

Compare this with Psm. 149.

7. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

Not breaking ranks means they are true to Jesus – they do not turn aside to Satan’s side.

8. Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

This verse shows they are in such full obedience to the Word of God (the Sword) that anywhere they fall on this Word, it will not hurt them.

9. They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

This climbing up on the ‘wall’ is our tearing down the ‘wall’s of Babylon. Bringing destruction to ‘her’. Believe it or not, this entering in at the windows like a ‘thief’ is the fulfillment of Jesus coming as a THIEF. So see, this is how He comes in a way and time you think not, in a way you were not looking for Him. He comes to be GLORIFIED IN HIS SAINTS.

10. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

This verse shows it is happening at the time of the sixth seal of Rev. Read there and you will see that the very next thing after this seal opens and the darkness sets in ( this is the thick darkness spoken of in verse 2) is the Trumpets starting. The Trumpets are the wrath of the Lamb.

11. And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Need more be said to prove this is the Lord’s army?

I had thought to post all these message on the Day of the Lord under that same thread; but since each one will be long and a study of its own, I will post each one as a separate thread. I do hope all of you will get into these studies and see the truth of God’s word which the church world has destroyed with her

Is It Right to Cook Food On Saturday?

Oh I see now how important my job is. I must teach you all how to keep the Sabbath day right; since you insist on doing this thing. You MUST GO BY THE LAW OF GOD; you cannot just make up any old way of doing this thing ; it is invalid if you do:

So I have found one here which I know you all are mixed up on; I know for some of you already told me different from this when I asked you how you do this thing; Listen you better go and learn really how to keep the Sabbath Holy.

Read this: it is very important;

Ex. 16: 22. And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.

23. And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

24. And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
25. And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26. Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

27. And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28. And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

29. See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
30. So the people rested on the seventh day.

Now this shows you had better not fix food on Sat. Fix enough on Fri. to take you through Sat. Do NOT leave your house on Sat. Opps. I think that one will undo all of you.

Do you not go to church on Sat? I thought so. Now this shows that is sin; worthy of being stoned to death. You MUST NOT GO OUT OF YOUR HOUSE ON SAT.

YOU MUST NOT FIX FOOD ON SAT. YOU MUST NOT GO FISHING ON SAT. NOR MT. CLIMBING; NO! ESPECIALLY NOT MT CLIMBING; THAT IS TOO MUCH WORK. I AM SURE FISHING IS A LOT OF WORK TOO.

NOW, FOLKS I AM SERIOUS. I IS TRYING TO HELP SAVE YOU. YOU MUST NOT BREAK THESE SABBATH LAWS.

YOU MUST KEEP IT RIGHT; KEEP IT HOLY.

The only way to do this is to go by Moses Word. It said God commanded Moses to stone that man to death who gathered sticks on Sat. That is God’s word; God’s command. How do you get around this?
(now don’t go blaming this on those poor Pharisees — they had not one thing to do with this- this is God’s word and Moses’ word)

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Re：Is It Right to Fix Food On Sat?

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From: joie Sent: 11/13/2003 1:43 AM

Hey where are all you Sabbath Keepers? Get in here and teach us how to do this thing. We are asking you to teach us by the Word of God how to keep that 7th day Holy. Why are you not anxious to teach us? You have told us zillions of time we need to do this and now we ask how and you will not tell us.

Ask me how to receive the Holy Ghost and I will get into the Book of Acts and teach you. Matter of fact, I have been doing it for years.

But all you do is tell us, you better keep the Sabbath day Holy. So Now I ask HOW? Where is your Scripture for how you do it. HOW DO YOU DO IT? Why are you not telling us? what is the big secret?

If you want some fun, take a look at the concordence at all the carrying on Jesus was doing with the Jews over this very matter. I had never really realized it till I got to studying this subject in seriousness to see how to keep this day Holy according to Moses and God.

Yaul all say the Pharisees had it going on; but I can’t find that. It seems to me God and Moses had it going on- stoning a man for gathering up some sticks on Sat. My. I would be afraid to get into all of that .

They would stone me to death the very first week. for sure. that thing of not going out of the house on Sat. would get me killed for sure. unless it was raining REAL hard.

I might not be too interested in starting a fire or gathering sticks, but to not go out of the house all day; and have to eat yesterdays food, (wonder if it was wrong to get up and heat it up?) Do any of you know? If so ,please inform me. I could cook it on Fri. but is it alright to heat it up on Sat? Do you leave the dishes on the table till Sun?

I would be very afraid in this part of it — for it seems to me that even getting up and walking around the kitchen to heat the food up might pass for severial work and get me stoned to death. whew! it is scarry to even think about.

I know me – I’d be done forgot and go out that door and get to picking up those sticks out there so me can cut grass; I ‘d probable be so stupid ( after all, lots of people keeps telling me that me is stupid) that I’d get out there cutting grass on Sat. and get meself stoned to death.

LoLady, is you afraid of this stuff too? I sure is. Makes me weak all over to think about having to make sure I dont fix food on Sat.

(sure glad I is in Grace)

Wonder what Jesus meant when he said, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath? Do you Sabbath keepers know? If so, please tell me.

He sure had a hard time of this matter with those Jews who were so devoted to that Sat business.

Now here’s some strong stuff:

Mark 3
1. And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
2. And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
3. And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
4. And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5. And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
6. And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.

v2–they are eyeing Jesus to see if he heals on the sabbath (see, they is afraid of God stoning them to death and bring his wrath on them for breaking that Holy day)
they wanted to accuse Jesus as I get accused so much……..

v4–He is debating with them……… Is is lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? (might killed by stoning if you pick up a stick)

v5–Jesus became angry at the because of their HARD HEART (see that law in their heart made it hard)

v6– then the Jews took counsel to get him destroyed —– WHY? HE BROKE THEIR 7TH DAY SABBATH RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM — JUST PLAIN OUT DEFIED THEM AND IT AND HEALED THAT MAN —- WORKING ON THAT DAY.

I LOVE YOU JESUS. PRAISE GOD YOU TOOK US OUT FROM UNDER THAT HORRIBLE STUFF OF BEING STONED TO DEATH FOR ANY WORK ON SAT.

WHEW!!! tHANK GOD FOR THAT.
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Who Is Who?

Who Is Who?

The Word of God teaches that there is but one God, the Father. Jesus is not God but the Son of God. There is only one that can be the Father. The scripture no where states that Jesus was God.

Why you all can not see this is beyond me? You take John 1:14 and destroy the meaning of it and you try to make it say something that the word does not say. The same thing with John 1:1 such as what Enkraw has done.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jesus is the Word. The Son of God is the Word. Christ is the Word ( Enkraw)

Would some one please show me 1 scripture that says that Jesus is the word or that the Son of God is the word or also that Christ is the word? He evens divides Jesus Christ here putting Jesus one place and Christ in the other. Can the body of Jesus Christ be divided? Certainly not.

1 Cor. 8:6 -But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, ( see he said there was one Lord with a small ord which means Jesus Christ and then he says beside that we have

4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all ( he is above all even Jesus Christ the Son Of God. Do you not remember where Jesus himself said my Father is greater than I. Jesus is the Son Of God not the supreme Almighty God. Jesus never said that he was God.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ( I hope you see the conjunction and there which means someone else than the only true God .

Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ

1 Cor 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. ( How could this be if he was the Father? Is Jesus going to deliver the kingdom up to himself and put down all rule and all authority and power.? If so who is going to have the rule and authority and power? Is he is going to pick it back up? If so why did he put it down? Would some one please explain this to me?

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: ( If Jesus is God which he is not tell me who is this God of out Lord Jesus Christ that is going to give unto you this spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him?

2 John1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. ( See by the word from there he is separating the Father from the son. Not the unity but he was showing that the Father is different from the son. He also said that Jesus Christ was the Son of the Father not the Father himself.

1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; ( He said here is one God and one mediator, now how hard is it to add one + one and what do u get? A mediator is a go between two parties which happen to be Jesus, he is the only way man can get to the one God. Now if he is the mediator between man and God, would someone please tell me how he can be God? If Jesus Himself was God , as Trinitarians say, tell me how could he be a mediator ?

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me( Okay, their law stated that it takes the testimony of two men to be true, so what did Jesus say? He said I bear witness of myself, ( one-man) and the Father that send me bear witness of me ( two). Again showing that the Father and Son are different but once again as I explained before not in the unity.)
The New Testament is full of scriptures stating that Jesus is the Son of God.

God is the God of Jesus. Jesus recognized the Father, the one true God, as His God. Jesus never claimed to be God Himself. There is no scripture saying this. If it is not written it is not true.

There is scripture proving that God was the God of Jesus.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Math. 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

We could produce many more scriptures where Jesus called the Father his God but space is limited and some of you will say this is to long. But there are scriptures in the Old Testament where Jesus is talking to God.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. ( see he said he went unto the Father which was greater than himself.

John10:30 I and my Father are one. . . ( Jesus was not stating that him and his Father was one here as the Trinitarians say and as the ONENESS people say. He referred to the unity such as was on the day of Pentecost where they were in one mind and one accord. Jesus prayed that this same unity would become a reality among his followers.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. (see the plural word we there. If Jesus was God so are we because he said let them be one as we are one.)
Jesus lived as God’s servant. He yielded perfect obedience to His Father. He always did those things that pleased God. This showed that Jesus recognized God as greater than he.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. ( Jesus received his knowledge from God because he said here that his Father had taught him what to do. Now if this is so how could he be God as the Trinitarians say and the oneness people say? God knows all things, Jesus did not. Boy did I really hit a nail ? To show you this I have scripture to prove it? You ought to know by now that myself or joie does not say what we can not show in the word. Now here is proof.

Mark13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father( See that is the best way to prove anything is by the word and the word said that hour knoweth no man, not even the Son, but only the Father. If the Son was the Father which again he is not, how come Jesus did not knoweth the hour?
God is perfect in knowledge. Jesus had to increase in knowledge.

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. . ( increase means that he began to grow in the wisdom and knowledge of God as we should. You know a lots of time we say we want to be like Jesus, well let your wisdom and stature increase and that is the way to find favor with God and man.
Jesus said that Son can do nothing of himself, he only does what the Father tells him to do and speaks the things the Father tells him to speak.

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. .

5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. ( see all Jesus wanted done was the will of the Father. He did not seek his own will as you know he said in the garden not my will but thine will be done.
There is so much more that I could add to this but this probably is already to much for some of you and I doubt that some has not even got this far. Besides I have been here on this for about 3 hours and I am so tired that I do not know whether I can get out of this chair or not, but this is the truth and you need to increase in wisdom of who the Son of God is and who the Father is.

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Re：Who is Who

Date Posted：11/24/2014 2:36 AM

From: joie Sent: 7/24/2003 12:48 PM

LUKE 24:; 26. Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Now I have shown this many times. When will you read it?

This clearly proves that Jesus suffered FIRST before he ENTERED INTO HIS GLORY.

If you ENTER INTO SOMETHING, then you were not already there. Jesus was not in GLORY when he was walking around here on earth in a mortal, corruptible body. Paul said it is SOWN = (burried) in weakness, It is RAISED IN POWER = RESURRECTIONS.

THIS IS THE GLORY.

Paul said it is sown in DISHONOUR; IT IS RAISED IN GLORY. (1Cor. 15: 43.)

Now if you wish to say Jesus’ mortal, corruptible body which they burried is that GLORY, then go and tell Paul he LIED. HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT HE WAS SAYING.

Am I not the one saying what the Word says? Sure I am. Nowhere is it said that the first man Adam, = (humanity) was GLORY AND POWER THIS SIDE OF THE RESURRECTION.

If it was, what need did we have of a Saviour?

Tell me that; if it already is glory and power, why need a resurrection?

The GLORY which the Word was made, which dwelt among us, which we beheld, and still behold by faith, is THE RESURRECTED CHRIST.

This is the same one who walked up to God on his Throne and TOOK THE BOOK OF LIFE OUT OF GOD’S HANDS AND NOW HOLDS OUR REDEMPTION IN HIS OWN HANDS, THIS IS THE GLORY, THIS IS THAT POWER, THIS IS THAT RESURRECTED CHRIST.

JESUS BORE THIS CHIRST, THIS PERFECT SON OF GOD. BY HIS PERFECT, SINLESS, OBEDIENT LIFE AND HIS RESURRECTION.

You have no concept what took place there. But here is what took place; (Scripture; not my words)

Luke 24: 46. And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Now this verse proves yet more that Jesus SUFFERED before he was RAISED to power and glory.

39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus said God is a Spirit. Here after his resurrection, he declares to them that he is NOT A SPIRIT; HE IS STILL FLESH AND BONES.

NOW THIS IS THE FLESH WHICH THE WORD WAS MADE. THIS GLORIFIED FLESH IS WHAT YOU SEE IN REV. 19 CALLED THE WORD OF GOD. NOT THAT WEAK, MORTAL FLESH WHICH MAN KILLED. THAT IS NO MORE.

NOW JESUS IS RAISED TO POWER AND LIFE, NOW TO RETURN NO MORE TO CORRUPTION. SO SAID THE MAN WITH THE KEYS, PETER. IF YOU THINK I AM WRONG, THEN GO TELL PETER HE LIED.

Matt. 28: 18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth

(Why did you not read verse 18 when you read 19?)

Jesus here, after his resurrection into his GLORY, told them, ALL POWER is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth.

Get that? GIVEN TO ME. What? He is the eternal God, co-equal with God? and this power had to be GIVEN to him?
Explain. Also explain where the verse is which says Jesus, the second person in the God head is or was CO-EQUAL with God) I just never read that anywhere in the Book.

This GIVING OF THE POWER TO JESUS IS WHAT TOOK PLACE IN THAT THRONE ROOM WHEN THAT SLAIM LAMB WENT UP TO GOD SITIING ON HIS THRONE AND TOOK THAT BOOK INTO HIS OWN HANDS.

No, it is not as your carnal mind leads you to believe **** Jesus is NOT ANOTHER GOD; JESUS IS NOT IN COMPETITION WITH GOD.

Shows you have no concept of ONENESS. There is no competition; there is no jealousy; there is no conflict.

YES, NOW JESUS IS MY GOD; BUT ONLY BECAUSE HIS GOD SET IT THIS WAY. GOD THE FATHER SET HIS SON JESUS IN THE SAME PLACE OF POWER AND AUTHORITY AS

GOD HIMSELF HAS. JESUS IS NOW ONE WITH GOD. YOU HAVE NO CONCEPT OF WHAT THIS MEANS. ALL YOUR WORDS PROVE IT.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22 (Original Message) Sent: 11/17/2005 7:36 PM
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I just wanted to post a few Scriptures about love. Love is a beautiful thing.

Matt.5:9-Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Mat.4:4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matt.5:25-Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Matt. 5:43-48–Ye have heard that it hath been said, thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans the same?

And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? Do not even the publicans so?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Matt. 6:14-For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

v15. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matt.7:3-5.And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4. Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5.Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thime own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

John 14:21-24. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me; and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23.Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.

1John 2:5, 9-11.But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

9.He that saith he is is the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

10.He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

11.But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hate blinded his eyes.

1Jn.3: 13-18.Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

14.We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

15.Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

16.Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

17.But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

18.My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1Jn.4:7-`12.20,21.Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8.He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

9.In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10.Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11.Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

20.If a man say I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

21.And this commandment have we from him, that he who loveth God love his brother also.

1Jn. 5:1-3.Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2.By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3.For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.1

11Jn:5.And Now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

God bless all

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From: Isaiah Sent: 11/17/2005 8:07 PM
First of all I an no poet or singer but I thought this was real cute. It may not mean much to you but it was so wonderful to me that as the Lord began to give this to me tears began to flow down my cheeks. This is what he gave me and it may not be much to you but it is a lots to me.
Charity is love that builds your brother up;

Charity is love that never tears your brother down;

Charity is love that brings your brother around;

Charity is love that will never take your brother to the ground.

1Cor13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

013:002 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.( see he said that a person could have all these gifts of the spirit and still not have the greatest gift of all and that being charity. Without love he said it would all be in vain.)

013:003 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

013:004 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

013:005 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

013:006 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

013:007 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

013:013 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. ( he said that you could have all the faith and hope. Which is find and good but he said charity is the greatest of the three. No way am I talking against faith or hope and the one’s that know me know this.)

014:001 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

014:002 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

014:003 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

014:004 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

014:005 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying

014:031 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

Some may say well I don’t have the gift of prophecy. Well I am telling you that you do. Go to Rev.-19:10-

019:010 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

See it said we all may prophesy. That is what the people that are giving these beautiful testimonies are doing and what this does it edifies the saints of God. Get in here and give us a testimony. These people are trying to show you love and to be a witness for the Lord. It is not anything that they do but they are just telling how the Lord used them in certain situations.

Math-005:043 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

005:044 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

Mat.22:037- Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 022:038 This is the first and great commandment.

022:039- And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself

Mark-12:033- And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices

Luke-6:27- But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

006:028-Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

006:035 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

John-13:034- A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

013:035 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

015:012 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 015:013 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

015:017 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Rom-5:5- And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

012:009 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

012:010 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

013:008 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

013:009 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

013:010 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law

2 Cor.-13:11- Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Gal.-5:013-For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

005:014-For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself

005:022 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Eph.-3:017- That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love

003:019 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

004:002- With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

05:002 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

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There Sons of Japeth

Here is the line of Japheth,

 

The Sons of Japheth

Japheth means “enlargement” or “extension.” Indeed, his posterity spread over all the earth. Fourteen descendants (seven sons and seven grandsons) are listed:

 

1. Gomer (Gen. 10:2-3; 1Chr. 1:5-6), the progenitor of the ancient Galatians and Phrygians, from which came the natives of northern Europe known as the Gauls and Celts, and in later times as the Germans, French, Welsh, Irish, Britons and various other Anglo-Saxon races. These all came from the three sons of Gomer — Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.

 

2. Magog (Gen. 10:2; 1Chr. 1:5), the progenitor of the Scythians and Tartars whose descendants are predominant in modern Russia (Ezek. 38:2; 39:6; Rev. 20:8). Magog was also a general name of the country north of the Caucasus mountains which are between the Black and Caspian seas.

 

3. Madai (Gen. 10:2; 1Chr. 1:5), progenitor of the ancient Medes, Persians, and perhaps the Hindus.

 

4. Javan (Gen. 10:2-4; 1Chr. 1:5-7), the progenitor of the Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese and other nations through Elishah, Tarshish, and Dodanim (Gen. 10:4). See Isa. 66:19; Ezek. 27:13,19. Kittim is identified with Cyprus and Mediterranean coasts (Gen. 10:4; Num. 24:24; 1Chr. 1:7; Isa. 23:1,12; Jer. 2:10; Ezek. 27:6; Dan. 11:30).

 

5. Tubal (Gen. 10:2; 1Chr. 1:5), progenitor of the Iberians, Georgians, Cappadocians, and other Asiatic and European races.

 

6. Meshech (Gen. 10:2; 1Chr. 1:5), the progenitor of Muscovite tribes that now inhabit Russia.

 

7. Tiras (Gen. 10:2; 1Chr. 1:5), the progenitor of the Thracians and perhaps the Etruscans who migrated to Italy.

 

 

Descendants of Shem

Here is the linage of SHEM:

 

The Sons of Shem

1. Elam (Gen. 10:22; 1Chr. 1:17), progenitor of the Elamites who settled near the Persian Gulf (Gen. 14:1,9; Isa. 11:11; 21:2; 22:6; Jer. 25:25; 49:34-39; Ezek. 32:24; Dan. 8:2).

 

2. Asshur (Gen. 10:11,22; 1Chr. 1:17), progenitor of the Assyrians (Num. 24:22-24; Ezek. 27:23; 32:22; Hos. 14:3).

 

3. Arphaxad (Gen. 10:22), progenitor of the Israelites, Arabians, Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites, Ishmaelites, Midianites, and other tribes of Asia (Gen. 11:10-32; 17:20; 25:1-18; Gen. 36).

 

4. Lud (Gen. 10:22), progenitor of the Lydians of Asia Minor, and the Ludim of Chaldea and Persia.

 

5. Aram (Gen. 10:22), progenitor of Aramaeans, later called Syrians.

 

 

Would You Take Up Your Cross?

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The Cross No Pretty Thing

Math:26-28-And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

Math:26-28-And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

Vs. 27-And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying,

Drink you all of it;

Vs.-28-For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.[ see we do not have to come in by the blood of bulls and goats we have a new way by the shed blood of Jesus. He introduced a new way the N.T.]

Forgiveness is necessary because “we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” Romans- 3:23

Rom. 6:23- “For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord,”

The Hebrew and Greek word for forgiveness means “ to cover,” “to pardon,” “to cancel,” “to send away. In order for us to receive forgiveness there must be faith.

Heb.-11:6- “But without faith it is impossible to please him; for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”

In order to receive forgiveness of our sins we must have a repented heart and confess our sins.[ACTS-2:38] Repentance, forgiveness of sins, and baptism are the prior conditions for receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost,

Acts-3:19- “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing [this is the refreshing that Isaiah was speaking about in vs.-28:11-12.] [“ For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.” [vs.12- “To whom he said, This is the rest wherein ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing; yet they would not hear.” [see he said that this was the refreshing but the sad part is they are not hearing.] he said when the times of refreshing shall come from the Lord.”

God has chosen to bless his people the outpouring of the Holy Ghost only on the condition or repentance which means having a change of heart turning from sin and all unrighteous. In the apostolic message I cannot find where there is a promise of blessing anyone with the Holy Ghost unless these conditions are met. For God to be able to be able to extend forgiveness he also had some conditions that he had to meet.

Heb.-9:22- “And almost all things are by the law purge with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.” By his blood Jesus accomplished the following, his blood for gives the sins of all who believe and repents. [Math. 26:28- “For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins”. His blood opens the way for believers to come directly before God thru him.]

Heb.4:16-“Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.” [his blood is a guarantee of all the promises of the new covenant. His blood will purify. Forgiveness is based on Jesus’ death on the cross.

Jesus is the Lamb provided by God to be sacrificed in the place of sinners. By his death Jesus made provisions for the removal of the power of sin and opened the way to God for all in the world.

Now I said all of this to show why Jesus had to die. There will be churches all over the world Sunday talking about the resurrection of Christ. I also believe as they do about a resurrection but before there is a resurrection there had to be a cross, a death and some shedding of blood which is no pretty thing.

Jesus’ death begin before Calvary, the physical and spiritual death began at Gethsemane. What I am fixing to tell you about now is not going to be a pretty story. There can never be nothing pretty in death and the cross.

I heard on the radio where some churches are asking their people to bring flowers to put on the cross they will have at their church. The death and crucifixion of Jesus was nothing pretty.

Math. 26: 37-39- Talks about he begins to be sorrowful.

37And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.

38Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

39And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Luke.-22:44- 44And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.{“His sweat was as it were great drops of blood.” They say under great stress the small capillaries in the sweat glands can burst and mix blood with sweat.}

Mat.26:39- Where Jesus is praying “ Let this cup pass from me” 39And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. {Jesus was not praying to be delivered from physical death. He was praying to be delivered from the punishment of separation from God which is the ultimate penalty of sin. Jesus prayed that his physical death might be accepted as full payment for the sins of all.}

“ Nevertheless not as I will but as tho wilt.” [here is where Jesus committed himself to undergo both physical pain and spiritual separation from God in order that we might have salvation thro his blood.]

Mat.-26:67- 67Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands,Jesus is blind folded, mocked repeal, spat on, struck in the face.

Mat.27:26-Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified. Scronging was the worst torture of the Romans soldiers. A whip used as a means of punishment. The whip used for this type of punishment consisted of a handle to which one or more leather cords or throngs were attached. These cords were knotted or weighed with pieces of bone to make the whip more effective as a flesh cutting instrument. The blows were laid on the victims back by two men, one lashing from one side, one from the other side. This resulted in the flesh being cut to such an extent that veins, arteries, sometimes inner organs were exposed. I know you are wondering how I know this because I have read it in books, Go to the library and check out a book on Nero and see for yourselves.

Isa.-55:5-Refers to the scouring of Jesus-[ “He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities.”

Jesus was crucified because we all have sinned and are guilty before God. As our substitute, he took the punishment due us and paid the penalty for our sins. He paid a debt that we owed. Jesus endured his suffering for us patiently and voluntary.

Mat.-27:31-speaks of how the Romans soldiers mocked him and strike him giving him vinegar mixed with gall. 31And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.

Mat.-27:31-39- 31And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.

32And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.

33And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,

34They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.

35And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

36And sitting down they watched him there;

37And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

38Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.

39And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,

The heavy beam of the cross is tied to the shoulder of Jesus he begins the slow journey to Golgotha the weight of the sins of the world together with physical exhaustion causes him to fall. Simon is compelled to bear his cross. Are you ? At Golgotha nails or large pieces of iron are driven threw his hands and feet. He is then lifted on the cross to die. Talking about the suffering and pain and the agony of all the sins of the world how was Jesus able to do this? “ Not my will but thine will be done.”

Math.-27:46= 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? {These words mark the end of Jesus suffering for a lost world. His cry, “ My God, My God, why has tho forsaken me,” testifies that he experiences separation from God as the sinners substitute. Here the sorrow, grief and pain are at their worst him who knew no sin God makes to be sin for us. He dies forsaken that we might never be forsaken.

Mat.-27:50- 50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. {Jesus utters his final words with a loud voice “ IT IS FINISHED.” this cry signifies the end of his suffering and the completion of the work of redemption. The debt for our sins had been paid in full and the plan of salvation established.}

It was the will of God that his son be sent to die on the cross for a lost world. Because of Jesus’ death on the cross a great inheritance has been released to God’s people. Any gospel that does not preach the cross of Jesus and its demand for repentance, baptism in Jesus name, infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in another tongue and separation of sin living a holy life is doomed to failure. All such efforts will be void of the presence of God and his spirit.

There will be churches everywhere this Sunday singing Kneel at the Cross Christ will meet you there. Would you do it for him ? The cross is empty would you endure the suffering and pain and agony of being forsaken by God? Would you endure the humiliation that he endured for us?

Thru it all I can see the love in Jesus’ eyes [ Father forgive them they know not what they do.] that love stills remain.

It wasn’t the end when the last nail was driven, it wasn’t the end as the spear pierced his side. It wasn’t the end as he said “ It is Finished.” it was only the beginning the day that Jesus was crucified.

SEE the Cross was not a pretty thing. My last question you say you will do anything for him. Would you take up your cross and follow him knowing where it leads? AMEN

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We meet people on this internet, as well as in real life and we think we know them. We think they are showing the true spirit of Christ, of being a Christian.

But know what? It does not take much to bring them out into the open. Just a few deep true messages in the Word of God which the fake churches out there do NOT TEACH. They run like scared rabbits. For they are in total deception.

They judge unrighteous judgment. They cannot discern the right spirit. the smooth wolves in sheeps clothing take them is so easily. It is with great disappointment when we find out we have misjudged these people and they will stab you in the back at the least provocation. Then they laugh and sneer at you thinking that is THEY THEMSELVES who are the true Christian.

Jesus said in Psalms that his enemies had words smoother than oil. These smooth loving people do not see that they are accepting the spirit of the enemies of Jesus. Smooth talking is not of God. Jesus did not mind blasting away with strong, hard words at those fake pharisees and hypocrites. He knew they will take others to hell with them.

Paul said I come not to you with enticing words of men’s wisdom. They did not practice this stuff of being soft spoken. and always agreeing to keep ‘peace’. It is a fake peace.
Jesus said those in ‘soft’ clothing =(their words and spirit) are in kings palaces; in other words, up in the world; not into God.

But know what? In His own time, our God is going to bring them all out to the LIGHT, and it is not going to be a delight to them. They have accepted Satan’s lies and deception and refuse the true Light of God when He send it their way. So sad.

But it happens all the time. We think they are a good true Christian, even thought we see they are still believing the whore’s lies. But we hope they have the right spirit and will accept truth of the word.

But they prove to be false. It is just more of that fake spirit coming from the mama whore, Catholicism.

They may call themselves by any number of other names, but in the end, they prove they hate the truth and cling to lies.

Beware of whom you let lead you around and tell you light, dangerous stuff. When they just like to play games, and talk foolish they allure to the flesh.

So I found that some of our new members both here and on The True Light now Shineth, are just faking it and will stab you in the back for these light, foolish, sneering things calling themselves pastors and men of god.

Oh well, Jesus already told us only a FEW WILL EVER FIND THAT STRIAGHT NARROW WAY WHICH LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE.

I JUST WISH MORE OF THEM HAD THE RIGHT SPIRIT.

JOIE
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We meet people on this internet, as well as in real life and we think we know them.  We think they are showing the true spirit of Christ, of being a Christian.
But know what?  It does not take much to bring them out into the open.  Just a few deep true messages in the Word of God which the fake churches out there do NOT TEACH.  They run like scared rabbits.  For they are in total deception.
They judge unrighteous judgment.  They cannot discern the right spirit.  the smooth wolves in sheeps clothing take them is so easily.  It is with great disappointment when we find out we have misjudged these people and they will stab you in the back at the least provocation.  Then they laugh and sneer at you thinking that is THEY THEMSELVES who are the true Christian.
Jesus said in Psalms that his enemies had words smoother than oil.  These smooth loving people do not see that they are accepting the spirit of the enemies of Jesus.  Smooth talking is not of God.  Jesus did not mind blasting away with strong, hard words at those fake pharisees and hypocrites.  He knew they will take others to hell with them.
Paul said I come not to you with enticing words of men’s wisdom.  They did not practice this stuff of being soft spoken. and always agreeing to keep ‘peace’.  It is a fake peace. 
Jesus said those in ‘soft’ clothing =(their words and spirit) are in kings palaces; in other words, up in the world; not into God.
But know what?  In His own time, our God is going to bring them all out to the LIGHT, and it is not going to be a delight to them.  They have accepted Satan’s lies and deception and refuse the true Light of God when He send it their way.  So sad.
But it happens all the time.  We think they are a good true Christian, even thought we see they are still believing the whore’s lies.  But we hope they have the right spirit and will accept truth of the word.
But they prove to be false.  It is just more of that fake spirit coming from the mama whore, Catholicism.
They may call themselves by any number of other names, but in the end, they prove they hate the truth and cling to lies.
Beware of whom you let lead you around and tell you light, dangerous stuff.  When they just like to play games, and talk foolish they allure to the flesh.
So I found that some of our new members both here and on The True Light now Shineth, are just faking it and will stab you in the back for these light, foolish, sneering things calling themselves pastors and men of god.
Oh well, Jesus already told us only a  FEW WILL EVER FIND THAT STRIAGHT NARROW WAY WHICH LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE.
I JUST WISH MORE OF THEM HAD THE RIGHT SPIRIT.
JOIE
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Moses

This world has no idea at the greatness of the man, Moses.  Secrets in the word of God have gone uncovered of all this.  But God has now revealed it to me.

what does it mean…. Moses ‘died’ and God ‘buried’ him?
No man knows of his grave today.
Michael and satan debating about the body of Moses.
 
What does God mean, by BURIED. 
Try Romans 6. 

 

The Rich Man And The Beggar

Freeborn,

 
I admit that I do not get into the NT too much. You know how I just am in Love with the OT. But I ran across this verse and when I read it. It shows that 
 
a rich man. (One with money and power and standing in the community) when he died he went to hell. And the poor man (Lazarus) went to hell also, but 
 
went into Abraham’s Bosom. Which is in hell, but was a pleasent place. 
 
What lesson do you learn from these verses? Which is the reading of Luke 16: 19-31.
 
   19  There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

 

John The Baptist

Freeborn,

Now in Matthew 11:11. Jesus said that no man born of a women is greater than JOHN THE 


Baptist…But Jesus was also born of a women also. Why did he not include Himself?




And another thing..Christians can not handle that Jesus came through a women. This one 


man told me I was not a christian because I said it was EVE and NOT ADAM that Jesus 


came through. 


And then the Muslims got mad at me because I said JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS THE LAST


Prophet. So, where does that leave MOHAMMED? Jesus would have said something.



LOVE YA.


TWEETY

I Want To Thank God

I just thought I would put this here. I want to THANK GOD RIGHT HERE. For letting me see another day and another birthday. I wanna THANK HIM For giving me JO SMITH. Without you and your love of GOD. I would have fallen by the wayside. Thank you for keeping me stromg and reminding me to keep the fight to the end.

I wanna THANK GOD for giving me strength of not falling for the deceivers that call themselves Christians. And for keeping me in the KJV for there are many translations out there that are leading many to hell and away from you.


And I wanna Thank_GOD for giving me the strength to correct the wayward and deceived folks, Even though  they will not follow or listen to me. But I continue to show them why they are wrong in their thinking.


Amen.

Come Out Of Her

Jesus said, beware when all men speak well of you, for so did they to the FALSE PROPHETS. He said, If they have hated me, they will hate you also. when you cannot and will not conform to the world, (worldly churches), you will be hated by all for his truth.
If Jesus could not reach the religious of his day, why should I think and hope I could reach any today?

They hate truth. They want their sins. They want their HOLIDAYS. All holidays are of SATAN and not one of them has any validation in God’s word. yet, every church partakes of all of them.

Babylon is this false religious system, of church conformed to this world.
so, how can you tell? Go by the Word of God.

but so few study that or know it well enough to go by it.

It is a command of God to come out of her…..or be destroyed with her. so who is ‘her’? any church which does same as the world.

does the world do xmess? easter? valentines? new years?
halloween? is there one verse of Scripture telling God’s people to do these things? did Jesus do them? did Peter? you KNOW THEY DID NOT.

Yet you continue right one, year after year. you refuse to receive correction. You refuse to REPENT OF THESE SINS.

You are of babylon. any preacher who lives in adultery, is still loved by all…why? cause he does not demand them to live GODLY.

Peter’s very shadow healed sick folks….yet they later killed that Godly man. Jesus healed many…..yet those same folks later killed him. why? cause he told them of their sins and said REPENT OR PERISH.

all churches today are into satan worship…yes you are. You refuse to come out of babylon and stop your sins and live Godly in this present world.

would Jesus have television in his home? would he sit and watch that evil stuff? How much time do you spend reading God’s word? how much time do you spend meditating on it?

sure you run to your ‘church’. …but it is totally into satan worship. all holidays are satan worship. its members can run around almost naked and still feel they are fine.

You ‘think’ Rome is babylon, or mother of harlots…but no. she is merely one of the big slaves to this evil mother.

who is this evil mother? read Exodus and you will see her clearly identified. so who are her children. EACH AND EVERY CHURCH OUT THERE. 
AND THAT IS WHY no one will even read these messages, of one voice crying in the wilderness COME OUT OF HER…TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING BE YE HOLY AS I AM HOLY…..AND I WILL RECEIVE YOU.

but they all said NO…WITH ONE CONSENT.

Come Out of Her

Jesus said, beware when all men speak well of you, for so did they to the FALSE PROPHETS. He said, If they have hated me, they will hate you also. when you cannot and will not conform to the world, (worldly churches), you will be hated by all for his truth.
If Jesus could not reach the religious of his day, why should I think and hope I could reach any today?

They hate truth. They want their sins. They want their HOLIDAYS. All holidays are of SATAN and not one of them has any validation in God’s word. yet, every church partakes of all of them.

Babylon is this false religious system, of church conformed to this world.
so, how can you tell? Go by the Word of God.

but so few study that or know it well enough to go by it.

It is a command of God to come out of her…..or be destroyed with her. so who is ‘her’? any church which does same as the world.

does the world do xmess? easter? valentines? new years?
halloween? is there one verse of Scripture telling God’s people to do these things? did Jesus do them? did Peter? you KNOW THEY DID NOT.

Yet you continue right one, year after year. you refuse to receive correction. You refuse to REPENT OF THESE SINS.

You are of babylon. any preacher who lives in adultery, is still loved by all…why? cause he does not demand them to live GODLY.

Peter’s very shadow healed sick folks….yet they later killed that Godly man. Jesus healed many…..yet those same folks later killed him. why? cause he told them of their sins and said REPENT OR PERISH.

all churches today are into satan worship…yes you are. You refuse to come out of babylon and stop your sins and live Godly in this present world.

would Jesus have television in his home? would he sit and watch that evil stuff? How much time do you spend reading God’s word? how much time do you spend meditating on it?

sure you run to your ‘church’. …but it is totally into satan worship. all holidays are satan worship. its members can run around almost naked and still feel they are fine.

You ‘think’ Rome is babylon, or mother of harlots…but no. she is merely one of the big slaves to this evil mother.

who is this evil mother? read Exodus and you will see her clearly identified. so who are her children. EACH AND EVERY CHURCH OUT THERE. 
AND THAT IS WHY no one will even read these messages, of one voice crying in the wilderness COME OUT OF HER…TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING BE YE HOLY AS I AM HOLY…..AND I WILL RECEIVE YOU.

but they all said NO…WITH ONE CONSENT.

Do You Know Or Just Believe?

so, you are a ‘believer’?  How long do you intend to stay there?  Let us GO ON to KNOW THE LORD. Jesus said, he that BELIEVES, shall do greater works than I do.  He shall cast out devils, speak with new tongues, heal the sick, etc. do you believers live up to this?  are you really a believer?


Ok, fine if you are…BUT, go on to KNOW THE LORD.
Do you KNOW THE LORD?  THEN why do you BELIEVE?
You may think this is sort of crazy,  but think about it a minute.Do you have a daughter?
do you KNOW you have a daughter, or son?How many?do you KNOW?OR DO YOU JUST BELIEVE IT?
would you say, when a person asks you, do you have any children…would you say, I BELIEVE I HAVE ONE?
Do you believe that you have a sister?  or do you know it?
Would you say, I believe I have a mother.   or would you say, I KNOW I have a Mother?
We must move beyond BELIEVING.  That is not perfection.  Yet the ‘believers’ claim that they no longer need or can have the gifts of the spirit, for they were set to end….and then they add, with the apostles.  what grounds do they have for saying this?  NONE.
You ask them, do you have perfection, yet?  they declare NO.  Yet the word said, when that which is PERFECT is come  THEN you have no more need for that which is in part;  gifts of healing?  what is perfection for that?  No more sick people.
How can you say we no longer need or can have the gift of healing, so long as there are sick people?
It is total devilish doctrines.
Have you gone on to KNOW THE LORD?
If so, you are no longer a BELIEVER.I do not believe there is a God or Jesus.
I KNOW IT.  I KNOW THEM.
Jo Smith

Questions To Ponder

Rev 6: 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 for the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

question: see if you know the right answer: 
when did this occur? what is it referring to?
when was the sun darkened? in mid-day.
what are these rocks and mountains? did these people want Mt Everest, or such, to fall on them? perhaps, stone mountain?
Is that what you think? think…has your church or preacher or prophet taught you these deep secrets? If not, why do you support them and place your hope of eternal life in them?

who is this fig tree? when did it cast her untimely figs? what is this mighty wind that shook her?

How would a natural rock or mountain hide anyone from the face of the Lord and from his wrath? do you really know? do you wish to know?
…if not, why not?
what are the mountains and islands which moved out of their places? how did this happen?

v15, what is the dens that some of the people hid in? what is the mountains that others ran to?

someone, give me your answer to these questions. I will come back later and give the right Scripture answer.

By: Jo Smith… June 23, 2015… (my Mother’s birthday)