How Did Jesus Become The Son of God? And David Too?

Date Posted：03/14/2010 2:36 PMCopy HTMLThis is one of my answers from Yahoo questions, concerning how did Jesus go from Son of David to Son of God?
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The very same was we do it, by receiving the seed of God, Holy Ghost/word, into himself, and becoming the first and only begotten Son of God. Being born again, not of the will of man, but of God.
Romans 1: 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

The reason people are still in such ignorance concerning the truth of god is they never read the Scriptures, but only listen to paid preaches, who also do not study the word.

They only listen to false churches false doctrines. Each one just voices the lies of the one before them, and hand it own down to generations, too interested in ball games, video games, TV and parties, to study Scripture. Then they set themselves up as teachers of the Word, not knowing one thing about it.

Jesus was NOT a son of God when he was born a baby. He was son of David, according to the flesh. 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Read it. ..MADE of the SEED of David, ACCORDING TO THE FLESH. His flesh came from the seed of David.
Women do not pass the seed, men do. Jesus was called the son of Joseph in several verses. Just because Mary was a virgin does not mean that Joseph could not be the father of Jesus.
If god can cause her to conceive, without knowing a man, that same God can take the seed from the man, without the man’s knowing it.

Scripture does not lie. Jesus was the son of David, according to the FLESH.

That son of David, Jesus, conceived the seed of God, spiritually, inside himself, same as we must, and brought forth a perfect son of God.
The Son of God was born at the resurrection.

Stop lying against Scripture; claiming an incarnate god. No such thing is written in God’s word. It is lies of Satan.
Jesus Christ was BORN AGAIN. He was water baptized and then received the Holy Ghost. He lived for God all his life and never sinned, thus God himself beget Jesus by putting the Seed of God inside Jesus.

Jesus now begets us as sons of God, by giving us the holy Ghost. You who reject the baptism of the Holy Ghost will never be born again. You do not have the seed inside yourself.

So this is how the son of David became a son of God. by being born of God, = born again. It is really quite simple, when you have the truth.

The Real Jesus Christ (Biblical Debate)

Originally Posted by Les
When God became man ,he took upon Himself humanity,without ever surrendering His diety. The sacrifice of Himself is replete of the sacrifices offered up to God by the High Priest .Keeping in mind that the sacrifice itself had to be acceptable to God.

So God,being in the person of Christ made the perfect sacrifice by offering up Himself
to God that satisfied the justice of God. And did this without ever not being God.

As for the virgin birth of Christ,all three in the Godhead were involved in it. The humanity of man and the diety of God were joined in the womb of the virgin.
Both impossibilities ,but without exception,true.

You are taking a negative view of the trinity because you have determined to not believe it. I’m sure that the bible you use must have side notes that support the trinity,but you ignore them and insist on believing the unsupported negatives of it.

Now JESUS CHRIST IS MELCHIZEDEK in the OT….A person stated…And another person asked:

Where was Jesus a priest in the O.T. ?????? Please show us the scriptures ?????? Nothing but eisogesis on your part and quantum leaps of faith without evidence.

Funny Question:

You made the statement that Jesus has been the one and only Lord since his conception. What was he doing before then?🤣🤣🤣

Funny Statement:

Are you saying Jesus was inactive in the OT?🤣🤣🤣

The Son of God has been active with the Father and the Holy Spirit from eternity. Not quite sure of the meaning of your question friend.

I do not think this guy reads his Bible:

Last time I checked, old testament was part of the bible too?

But Jesus does say himself that he is the Father,the beginning and Ending .🤣🤣🤣🤣

And see the response? Asking for scripture of what just came out of a person’s mouth will either shut them up or make them crazy….🤪🤪

Please quote the book and passage in which Jesus Christ Himself says He is the Father,the Beginning and Ending.I know of NO such verse friend.🤔🤔

where is Jesus called the Father ??????????????????????????????????🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

You truly amaze me. The Father of eternity has a Father. Just take a minute and think about that. It is nonsense, absurd. The Creator of all things has a Father. That is blasphemous and outrageous. 🤨

Now it looks like we have to know GREEK in order to read scripture: 🙄

You need greek philosophy to interpret scripture? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

Response is so funny:

That’s right. Without Greek philosophy, we wouldn’t even have structured logic. I’m always mildly amused when people attempt to use logical arguments to decry the use of Greek philosophy; I wonder whether they ever see the irony in their actions. 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

Twisting words that are not in the Bible, did anyone else know this?

God, the Son = the Son of God. 🙄🙄

No it doesn’t. 🤣🤣🤣

Please give me a scripture that even uses “God the Son”. 🤫🤫🤫

Then it happens as always when a person is defeated:

Let me reply to this later, I’m busy right now. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I’m sorry but I don’t think you know what your even talking about.

eternal Son of God

Luke 1:35 doesn’t say “called the eternal Son of God.

It gets worse, they bring MARY into the argument….And she gave birth to GOD!!!!! 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

Originally Posted by TKN
What luke 1:35 is trying to tell us is that the child of Mary will be called the Son of God (which He most certainly was on many ocassions). In other words, Luke wants to make it clear that Mary is the God-bearer. That her child will be both God (Son of God) and man. That that man (Jesus) is the eternal Son of God or God manifest in the flesh but yet born under the Law. Now what natural man is not born under the Law? Why does Paul go out of his way to tell us that Mary’s Son and God’s Son will be born under the law? There is no novelty in that if Mary’s Son is mere man. Because it was to be God’s Son who assumed the human nature (flesh) who was to fulfill the Law of God (the moral Law) perfectly in our stead since it was impossible for us to do so.

JESUS PLEASE HELP THESE CONFUSED PEOPLE: 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

Originally Posted by Bob

And Son of God does NOT equal God manifest in the flesh.

Wow??? You just ignored scripture. ಠ_ಠ

The Son of God is eternal and has always been the Son of God prior to His becomming man. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

No support for this at all.

It is Jesus Christ who is God manifest in the flesh.

So your saying Jesus Christ , Son of God, God the Son are different persons? 🤔🤔🤔

See the Jews know the answer LOL!😏

The Son of God=God the Son friend as all Jewish citizens of His age well knew,even if you don’t.And Son of God does NOT equal God manifest in the flesh.The Son of God is eternal and has always been the Son of God prior to His becomming man.It is Jesus Christ who is God manifest in the flesh. 🤔🤔

The answer gets worse!!!!! 🤭🤭🤭🤭

Originally Posted by Bob
Father actually sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

When did he send the Son? 🤔🤔

(Luk 1:35) And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Are you saying that God the Father sent God the Son to become the Son of God?🤔🤔🤔

Unfortunately your testimony that the Father morphed into the Son just doesn’t match John’s testimony that the Father actually sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. 🤨

Now since your testimony for Christ doesn’t align with God’s word, you might want to figure out just whose words your testimony actually does align with.😄

This man needs a good Bible study:

I don’t understand, How can the Son have been eternal if he was begotten? 🙃

Bob, you reveal yourself to be unable to rightly divide Scripture. You engage in exegetical fallacies often and commit eisegesis as well. You prooftext rather than look into what the whole of Scripture reveals about an issues. So your hermeneutics is very, very poor and you appear to have no interest whatsoever in correcting this. Your poor hermeneutics is one major reason why you arrive at unBiblical conclusions. Also the fallacious responses you make like the red herrings here (you also engage in ad hominem, non sequitur, begging the question as well as many other fallacies) reveal that your position is weak and shallow. You dismiss legitimate Christian teachers with ad hominem and then expect others to accept your teachings over theirs even though you have little to no expertise and/or qualifications. Then you turn around and use similar materials thus revealing a major double-standard on your part as well. You are unable to rightly divide Scripture and are unwilling to do what is necessary to correct that. These are just SOME of the reasons why your unBiblical teachings and uninformed opinions are to be rejected in accordance to God’s instructions. 😇

To The Saints In Christ 2

From: IsaiahSent: 11/17/2005 8:07 PM
First of all I an no poet or singer but I thought this was real cute. It may not mean much to you but it was so wonderful to me that as the Lord began to give this to me tears began to flow down my cheeks. This is what he gave me and it may not be much to you but it is a lots to me.Charity is love that builds your brother up;Charity is love that never tears your brother down;Charity is love that brings your brother around;Charity is love that will never take your brother to the ground.1Cor13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.013:002 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.( see he said that a person could have all these gifts of the spirit and still not have the greatest gift of all and that being charity. Without love he said it would all be in vain.)013:003 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.013:004 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,013:005 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;013:006 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 013:007 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 013:013 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. ( he said that you could have all the faith and hope. Which is find and good but he said charity is the greatest of the three. No way am I talking against faith or hope and the one’s that know me know this.) 014:001 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.014:002 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.014:003 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.014:004 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.014:005 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying014:031 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. Some may say well I don’t have the gift of prophecy. Well I am telling you that you do. Go to Rev.-19:10-019:010 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. See it said we all may prophesy. That is what the people that are giving these beautiful testimonies are doing and what this does it edifies the saints of God. Get in here and give us a testimony. These people are trying to show you love and to be a witness for the Lord. It is not anything that they do but they are just telling how the Lord used them in certain situations. Math-005:043 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 005:044 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute youMat.22:037- Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 022:038 This is the first and great commandment.022:039- And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyselfMark-12:033- And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrificesLuke-6:27- But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,006:028-Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 006:035 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. John-13:034- A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.013:035 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. 015:012 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 015:013 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends015:017 These things I command you, that ye love one another. Rom-5:5- And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. 012:009 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. 012:010 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; 013:008 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 013:009 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.013:010 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law2 Cor.-13:11- Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. Gal.-5:013-For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.005:014-For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself005:022 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,Eph.-3:017- That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love003:019 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 004:002- With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 05:002 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

To the Saints In Christ

From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22 (Original Message) Sent: 11/17/2005 7:36 PM
To the Saints in Christ

I just wanted to post a few Scriptures about love. Love is a beautiful thing.

Matt.5:9-Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Mat.4:4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matt.5:25-Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Matt. 5:43-48–Ye have heard that it hath been said, thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans the same?

And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? Do not even the publicans so?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Matt. 6:14-For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

v15. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matt.7:3-5.And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

  1. Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5.Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thime own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

John 14:21-24. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me; and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

  1. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23.Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.

1John 2:5, 9-11.But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

9.He that saith he is is the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

10.He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

11.But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hate blinded his eyes.

1Jn.3: 13-18.Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

14.We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

15.Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

16.Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

17.But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

18.My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1Jn.4:7-`12.20,21.Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8.He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

9.In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10.Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11.Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

20.If a man say I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

21.And this commandment have we from him, that he who loveth God love his brother also.

1Jn. 5:1-3.Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2.By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3.For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.1

11Jn:5.And Now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

God bless all

Jo

The Two Leaved Gate Part 2

Second message on the Two Leaved Gates

The Word was and is God. This is the mind or thoughts of God. This was in the beginning; not just part of the Word; all of it. Every bit of the word of God was there in the beginning with God; all his thoughts were in him at all times.

Inside God were two covenants. The Old Testament and the New Testament. This Word has always been.

Solomon said there is nothing new under the sun; all that will be has already been. In the Garden of Eden was this Word; or Book; or Tree; or Kingdom; it is all the very same things.

The first covenant was the Law; this is death; this is darkness; this was added because of sin. But the covenant of life and peace was also there in the mind of God. Both these covenants have always been there for people to choose which one they will live by and obey. You cannot mix them. This is that lukewarm stage which God will not let stand. He said either make the ‘tree’ good and his fruit good; or make the ‘tree’ evil; and his fruit evil.

You cannot come under the covenant of life in Christ Jesus; and then go back to the other covenant of law and death and still have the benefits of the covenant of Grace. God just will not let you do that. Oh, you can try, and think you are doing it; but in the end God will spew you out of his mouth.

Lukewarm is a mixture of hot and cold. This produces the lukewarm. But God hates this. He said you cannot serve two master; you cannot live by both covenants.

In doing this, you are professing that you do not have complete confidence in the Covenant of the blood of Jesus; you think you must mix in the works of the law to have the sanctification and justification which leads to life. But, no!!! God said if you go back to that old law, you fall from Grace.

In the Garden of Eden, which is the kingdom of God, there were both these leaved Gates. Adam was told he could eat of EVERY TREE except this one ~ the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ~~~ see, the mixture.

I am going to show you something God showed me over twenty years ago. I could not fully put this together until this morning when God was showing me that those trees in the Garden of Eden was actually his Word; the thoughts of his mind. In his was the law; and in him was grace. One is death; the other is life. Choose ye this day life or death; you cannot mix them.. There is no death in God; but if you disobey, this brings death to you; this is the law that was in him; that to disobey brings death.

Adam was placed there in the glory of God; he was in the Garden and the Garden was in him. I am in the Garden and the Garden is in me. I am His Garden; He is my Garden. I am in Jesus; and Jesus is in me. Jesus is in God; and God is in Jesus.

Song of Solomon 4:12–A garden enclosed is my sister, my spouse, a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

That my friends is the Old Covenant— it was a fountain; but it was sealed up–no one could understand this and receive life from it. This was the first spouse of God. Israel = the law.

v15–A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

This dear ones, is the other garden, the other water; the Grace Covenant; the second spouse.

See the difference:? living waters, streams; see Jesus said it was a well and a river. Lebanon is a type of the Garden of Eden. He bought back this living Garden.

v16–Awake, o north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into HIS GARDEN and EAT HIS pleasant fruits.

See, the bride is this garden; and she calls him to come into this his Garden and eat the fruits = our love and sacrifice unto him. This is his fruit; or the reward for his work = our love and devotion and obedience to him in order to bear children to him.

Song of S. 5:1–I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my WINE WITH MY MILK; eat, O friends; drink, yea drink abundantly, O beloved. (see the types here of the WINE AND MILK, both representing the Word?)

Now, don’t you see that this is the same kind of speech that was in Genesis one and two? See, this is Jesus saying he has come into his (MY Garden)– means his Spirit has come into me and supped with me and me with him. He has given me the wonderful relationship of his Spirit; and he has received the worship I give to him. This is the MARRIAGE. This is the union of him and his bride; this is his coming into his garden.

The same thing went on in the Garden of Eden. Only there, Adam decided not to go that route; he chose to go to the law instead. He chose the blood of animals instead of believing the Word that the shed blood of Jesus was all he needed.

When he chose to go by the law instead of Grace, he knew that this covenant was sanctified by the blood of animals; so what did they do?

I know you probably will not believe this; but it is written in the Word.

Now back to the Word for a minute, before I explain the animal sacrifice Adam and Eve did.

People are telling us that the original language of the Scripture is Hebrew. But, no, this is not true. Proof? Yes. It was His Word, or Book which was those trees in the midst of the Garden. It was the Old and New testaments; yes, they were both already there.

Before the day that God confounded the language of ALL THE EARTH (Gen. 11:8), they all spoke the same language. This is not one of the known languages of the earth today. This was NOT Hebrew.

For it said he confounded the languages of ALL THE EARTH. Not a one of them now spoke or remembered the Language they had all spoken before that day. Not a single one. He confounded them ALL. He changed everyone’s language. So, that original language is not spoken today by anyone; except those who speak mysteries in the Spirit. And they do not know what they are saying. It has to be done by the Spirit of God.

So, the Word of God was there in the Garden of Eden; but it was not in Hebrew.

Gal. 3:8—and the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, PREACHED BEFORE THE GOSPEL UNTO ABRAHAM, saying In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Now, take note of this: the gospel was preached unto Abraham; long before there was a MOSES.

So this proves that the Word of God, the gospel of Jesus, of the kingdom of God, of the shed blood of Jesus, of grace, of life, all of this was preached to Abraham. This is how Abraham and Sarah knew what they were to do at all times; they were ‘reading the Word and believing it’. Abraham believed the Word and it was imputed unto him for righteousness.

So, see when Moses first wrote the words of God, he was TRANSLATING FROM THE ORIGINAL BOOK = THE MIND OF GOD = THAT TREE IN THE GARDEN = THE BOOK WHICH SAID IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME TO DO THY WILL, OH GOD.

See, God inspired him, or gave him an understanding of the already written Word, that word which was in the beginning with God, which was God. Moses was only translating this truth into the language they now spoke. Glory to God. Every book ever written here by man was a translation from that original Book of God. He inspired those holy men and they faithfully wrote what he gave them the understanding of.

This is getting too long, so I will wait and pick up on the other thoughts in the next post.

God bless you all. You really need to study this message with your Word.

The Two Leaved Gate

From: MSN Nicknamesearsjason (Original Message) Sent: 6/6/2004 5:42 PM
~The Two Leaved Gates~

John 1:1–In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Here, dear friends, is the WHOLE of the knowledge of truth. When one comes to understand the depth of this Sentence, you will know WISDOM. You will then know everything from the beginning through the end.

Isa. 45:1–Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

v2–I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: [Lev. 26:19–And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as IRON, and your earth as BRASS:]. So, these are the gates of brass and iron which he said he would break in pieces. (that of the old law).

v3–and I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

One thing I love about the Strong’s Concordance is this: you can see at a glance that as with this word, ‘leaved’ above, this is the ONLY time this word appears in all of the Word. I feel something is very special when this is the case with a word.

I looked up the Strongs meaning of this word ‘leaved’. It is amazing; because of the revelation God was giving me before I arose this morning. As I lay there relaxed and meditating on the word, God gives me profound understanding of His Word. This message came to me then. I know I am not capable of giving you the greatness He gave me. Wish I could.

Leaved ~ Strongs #1817–from 1802—- ‘to dangle, i.e. to let down a bucket (for drawing out water); fig. to deliver-draw out, enough, lift up

Isaiah 55:1–Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

v2–Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.

v3–Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

v4–Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people. [this is speaking of Jesus].

v5—Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee. [see the proof that this is of Jesus?].

v6–Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near.

Jesus said, Seek and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened to you. People, all of you can have the glorious revelation of God’s Word. It is not for just certain ones; it is for anyone who will obey this and SEEK.

If you do not seek, you will not find. This is the coming to the waters and drawing up the water of life. Jesus said come to me and DRINK and out of you belly (mouth) shall flow living waters.

Remember, my message last night on Lev. 26–how God told the Israelites they would be fed the bread of those 10 women; but they would not eat to their satisfaction? Well, here in Isa. he asks them why they spend their money for that which is not BREAD. He is saying they give their money to the whore Church; but she does not feed them enough ‘bread’ to satisfy them. That is what this is speaking of. Why go pay them; when they do not feed you the living bread. Just study this written Word; that is how ye take those buckets and draw up the living water and drink and ye shall live.

If ye ‘seek’ by studying and praying, God will give you the understanding of truth. Ye shall have this living water. We are living fountains of water. Drink out of your own cistern. That is if you have put the Water of life into your cistern [ your vessel; your mind].

This is not just for a few; it is a promise to all. But unless you do as he said, you will not find. If you go into eternity without the truth, it will be because you failed to obey this command by Jesus to SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND.

This is just an introduction to the message I want to give to you. So, please all of you, study this; keep reading as I am able to type up more of what God showed me; and please pray for me; many times after I get up and start doing things, I forget what He has shown me. This is just too great not to give to anyone who is willing to read this and learn. I really hope I can remember much of what he gave me and give it to you.

This will also be a sequence of many posts. This is not for me; it is for you. So, please print these messages out and study this; that is if you desire to Seek and Find.

The Last Words of Jesus

From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 2/6/2005 10:31 PM
~ The Last Words of Jesus~

KJV-Luke 24:36-And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

v37-But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

v38-And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

v39-Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hate NOT flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Matt. 28:16-Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

v17-And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

v18-And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.

v19-Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

v20-Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Now, look again at the message above: Jesus said to his disciples, AFTER his resurrection, feel me and see that A SPIRIT HATH NOT flesh and bone as you see me have.

So, what is it saying? Was Jesus a ‘spirit’ then? Obviously he is saying NOT so.

If, just if, he was NOT a spirit at that time (after the resurrection)– then when was it fulfilled that he was made a quickening spirit?

When Jesus ascended up on high, God the Father made him to be God; Heb. 1. God said, Therefore God, even thy God hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Jesus sat down (=took the place of authority)–at God’s right hand. This placed Jesus, as a member of the kingdom of the Father; which is Spirit. This placed Jesus into the very same ‘place’ as the Father. This made Jesus a quickening Spirit.

Proof!!

When Paul saw the bright light, which blinded him, he asked, Who are thou Lord? And the LIGHT answered, I am Jesus.

See? Jesus had gone into the pillar of fire; same as God.

The apostles did NOT see this when they saw Jesus after the resurrection; they saw a glorified MAN = A FLESH AND BONE MAN. This is how we will come forth in the resurrection.

BUT-! Jesus received an elevation up from that point= when he ascended up on HIGH, he was placed in the SEAT OF GOD. Something, the first man Adam had coveted; but had been denied.

Jesus never coveted this place; it was GIVEN to him by his Father. Jesus is the only one from the human family who ever has, or ever will receive this same ‘SEAT’.

That is when Jesus became a quickening Spirit. That is what Paul saw- this great light which no man can approach to-he saw Jesus in his new form = that of being a quickening Spirit = made equal with God.

This, dear people, is Gen. one.

Look again at 1Cor.15:45-think about what is being said here – “the FIRST man Adam was made a living soul; the LAST Adam was made a quickening spirit.”

So, does not this tell us that the Word of God is talking about TWO Adams all the way through it?

If it is in the beginning where the FIRST man was made a living soul, is it not true then, that the book of beginnings, Genesis, also told us about the beginning of the SECOND MAN Adam?

He is more important; so why would not God tell about him in Genesis where he speaks of the creation? After all, this of being in the likeness and IMAGE of God is God’s ultimate goal or plan.

So, in studying Genesis, you must keep in mind that it is speaking of the TWO Adams. You will never understand it if you try to place all that is said in Gen. 1,2,3, 4, 5, on to the earthly man, the first Adam.

Jesus was not Michael, come down and got into Mary’s womb; he was not God come done and got into Mary’s womb. Mary was not holding and nursing Michael or God. She was holding a human baby; given to her by God.

Those wicked men did not nail Michael or God to the cross. They nailed the first man Adam to the cross. He was buried in dishonour; he was raised in glory; he was sown in weakness; he was raised in power. He was sown a natural body; he was raised a spiritual body.

But, he was not made a quickening spirit until he ascended up on high. That is why he told Mary, do not touch me; for I have not yet ascended to my Father; he was telling her, do not worship me yet. Only after the ascension, when he was given all power in Heaven and Earth, were they told to worship Jesus.

The true sheep of God will someday see eye to eye.

I told this in my message on Baptism, but most people just ignored that message or went to war with it. But, see, that the last thing Jesus told his disciples was to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost?

Then WHY did the apostles, Paul , and the others all baptize in the name of Jesus? Because when Jesus ascended up on high, he was placed in the seat of authority. We are told to do everything in the name of Jesus. Why? Because only Jesus is under the authority of the Father; we cannot go directly to the Father; we must go through Jesus. We are under the authority of Jesus; we are not under the authority of the Father, directly.

For earthly man to try to go to the Father, or invoke his name = his authority, is to try to usurp the authority of Jesus. We can only do things, like praying, blessing, and baptizing in the name of Jesus = which is by his authority. Jesus is the only one who can use the name of the Father. Jesus was telling them to do this, by the authority of the Father, for it showed his speech was given by the authority of the Father. He was not telling them to use the words Father, when they baptized.

When the disciples baptized in the name of Jesus, they were acknowledging that they were under the authority of Jesus. In doing so, it is understood that if one is acting under the authority of Jesus, he is automatically, through Jesus, honoring the authority of the Father, without trying to go directly to the Father, instead of through Jesus.

The baptism in the name of Jesus is the only correct way; for this way acknowledges that we are honoring the fact that we are under the authority, or headship of Jesus. It also acknowledges that we do not try to usurp the place of Jesus as being the only one directly under the Father. But when we Baptize or pray in the name of Jesus, it automatically becomes blessed by the Father; for above Jesus, is the Father.

If a man owned a business, which he had run for many years, then he sets his son over the business, and tells all the customers they must now go to his Son for all they receive from the business, then one would not suppose that they must go to the Father. In doing so, he would dishonor the word of the Father.

If one tried to go directly to the father, the father would be angered, for in doing so, they would not be honoring the father’s wishes; his word. They would be trying to discredit the authority given by the father to the son.

This is why we are only to baptize in the name of Jesus; = it carries the full power and authority of the Godhead; for the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily in Jesus. I do not have to go to the Father, apart from the Son (indeed, I CANNOT)– to receive something from God; for all the power in heaven and earth was given to Jesus.

May God richly bless and open your eyes to this great truth.

By: Jo Smith

Touch of Faith

From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 2/6/2005 10:18 PM
Mark 6:46-56—
And when he had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray. And when even was come, the ship was in the midst of the sea, and he alone on the land. And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.

But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out: For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid.

And he went up unto them into the ship; and the wind ceased: and they were sore amazed in themselves beyond measure, and wondered.

For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened.

And when they had passed over, they came into the land of Gennesaret, and drew to the shore. And when they were come out of the ship, straight-way they knew him, and ran through that whole region round about, and bagan to carry about in beds those that were sick, where they heard he was.

And whithersoever he entered, into villages, or cities, or country, they laid the sick in the streets, and besought him that they might touch if it were but the border of his garment: and as many as touched him were made whole.

Matt. 14:34—And when the men of that place had knowledge of him, they sent out into all that country round about, and brought unto him all that were diseased;

36—And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.

Matt. 9:20–And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment:

v21—For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.

v22—But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.

These people had faith. They only touched the ‘hem’ of Jesus’ garment and were made perfectly whole of whatsoever disease they had.

People of God, it is NO different today!! Don’t let anyone make you think it is. That power to heal is just the same today as it was then. Jesus does not change; he has not lost one tiny bit of power. Nor, has he changed his mind about healing those who touch him in faith.

You might say, well he is not here now; so we can not touch his garment. My friend, that is not necessary.

James 5:14—Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

v15—And the prayer of FAITH shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

All you have to do today, is touch him in faith; believe in you heart and doubt not; and you shall have what you ask.

There is no need for doctors, medicine , or the like. All you need is that pure, unwavering faith. If you lack faith, ask of God, and He will give it to you. Seek for faith. These things are very much for God’s people today. It is only that they do not want to seek for the faith. But without faith it is impossible to please God.

All things are possible to those who can believe.

By: Jo Smith

My Father and I

From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 8/24/2004 10:03 PM
My Father and I

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. ( see he said he went unto the Father which was greater than himself.

John10:30 I and my Father are one. . ( Jesus was not stating that him and his Father was one here as the Trinitarians say and as the ONENESS people say. He referred to the unity such as was on the day of Pentecost where they were in one mind and one accord. Jesus prayed that this same unity would become a reality among his followers.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. (see the plural word we there. If Jesus was God so are we because he said let them be one as we are one.)

Jesus lived as God’s servant. He yielded perfect obedience to His Father. He always did those things that pleased God. This showed that Jesus recognized God as greater than he.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

( Jesus received his knowledge from God because he said here that his Father had taught him what to do. Now if this is so how could he be God as the Trinitarians say and the oneness people say? God knows all things, Jesus did not. Boy did I really hit a nail ? To show you this I have scripture to prove it? You ought to know by now that myself or joie does not say what we can not show in the word. Now here is proof.

Mark13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father( See that is the best way to prove anything is by the word and the word said that hour knoweth no man, not even the Son, but only the Father. If the Son was the Father which again he is not, how come Jesus did not knoweth the hour?

God is perfect in knowledge. Jesus had to increase in knowledge.

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. ” ( increase means that he began to grow in the wisdom and knowledge of God as we should. You know a lots of time we say we want to be like Jesus, well let your wisdom and stature increase and that is the way to find favor with God and man.

Jesus said that Son can do nothing of himself, he only does what the Father tells him to do and speaks the things the Father tells him to speak.

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. “

5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. ( see all Jesus wanted done was the will of the Father. He did not seek his own will as you know he said in the garden not my will but thine will be done.

There is so much more that I could add to this but this probably is already to much for some of you and I doubt that some has not even got this far. Besides I have been here on this for about 3 hours and I am so tired that I do not know whether I can get out of this chair or not, but this is the truth and you need to increase in wisdom of who the Son of God is and who the Father is.

Luke 10: 21. In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, LORD of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

  1. All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
  2. And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
  3. For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

How I thank My God for this glorious and truthful message! This is food for my soul. This is truth. This is Manna from Heaven.

Blessed are the eyes which see the things you see; and blessed are the ears which hear what you hear. Blessed of God are you and I.

We see and hear the truth. This is something almost no one has.

If a person can read this message and still cling to the lies of Rome, they are just doing despite to the Spirit of Truth and rejecting, willfully, all that God teaches. I truly believe a person would have to willfully CHOOSE lies to refuse to see this which is so clearly taught and PROVEN BY WRITTEN WORD HERE.

The above was by Larry [Isaiah]. The following is by Jo Smith:

It is as I have said so many times, we PROVE EVERY WORD WE SAY BY THE WRITTEN WORD. The Trinitarians and the Jesus onlies cannot prove a thing they say with WRITTEN WORD. They just hurl things at us which has been handed down to them from their ‘fathers’. They have not sought to prove a thing as God said to do.

They KNOW THEY Could not prove what they say with Scripture; so they bring up false teachers’ sayings. That is all the foundation they can find. Rotten Wood!

That is why so many come here to this group, stay a while, read our true messages; and then leave. They cannot take real truth; for it crosses their grain and the lies of their fathers. They are rejecting God when they reject the Word. Did not he say the Word was God? sure he did. It is the Father’s own words; so it is him. My words are me; they are my thoughts. So it is with God.

They are accusing Jesus of a lie, they are accusing Jesus of claiming to be God. Jesus did no such thing! This is the sin of Adam, not Jesus.

Now read verse 21 above –Jesus is thanking His Father that he hid these things from those who think they are wise and has revealed them to babes. We are his babes.

Now read v.22 (this is powerful)– Jesus said his Father had delivered all things to him (see proof of my message on the transference of power — that the Father put all things into Jesus’ hands and lifted him up to the status of being our God?)

But look at his next words…..No man knows who the Father is– except those to whom the Son reveals him. And no man knows who the Son is.

See? Only those to whom the Son gives this revelation to knows, KNOWS who the Father or the Son is.

Now I can assure all of you, the Trinitarians and the Jesus only people DID NOT GET ANY REVELATION FROM JESUS SAYING WHAT ANY OF YOU SAY.

IF YOU SAY YOU DID, SHOW US THE SCRIPTURE JESUS REVEALED IT TO YOU FROM. HE ONLY GIVES REVELATION FROM THE WORD.

HE SAYS ONLY WHAT HIS FATHER SAYS; AND HIS WORD IS THE WORD. THIS IS GOD. THE WORD. YOU CANNOT PROVE A THING UNLESS THE WORD SAYS IT.

All any of you have is tradition handed down to you from someone else; not a revelation from Jesus.

If you had the revelation from Jesus, you would say the same thing he said. He said My Father is greater than I. I say only what my Father tells me to say.

Where can any of you make this statement? You cannot, and you know it.

So it proves you JUST DO NOT WANT TRUTH.

You accuse Isaiah and me of twisting the Word. I do not see one word in this message that was not quoted exactly from the Word. If you can find one place where he ( Isaiah) ‘twisted’ any Scripture,

BRING IT FORTH. SHOW IT. REVEAL IT.

All of you accuse us of twisting Scripture, yet you do not bring forth on Word which matches the Word.

By Jo Smith

I Am My Father

From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551 (Original Message) Sent: 9/17/2007 10:39 PM
I Am My Father

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Joh 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

The false ‘Jesus-only’ doctrine rests heavily upon the MISINTERPRETATION of the above verses. If an interpretation is NOT written, just as spoken, and if it crosses other Scriptures, then know that the interpretation is FALSE. Truth cannot and does not contradict itself. All Scripture is the TRUTH of God. It is HIS word. Dare any of you call God a lie? Just because of your little lack of understanding?

So let’s examine the above in light of other Scripture. No man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Now they claim this means that Jesus is the Father. Then why didn’t he say so? Why did he say you can only come to the Father by himself? Is that sensible, to say you can only come to me by me?

If you had known me, ye should have known MY FATHER also. So, is it sensible to say, if you have known me, ye should have known me also? Do you really think this is what Jesus was saying? If you have known me, you should have known me also? Not hardly.

So then, seeing is understanding, right? Sure. If you have seen me, you have seen the Father also? (If you have seen me, you have seen me also???) So if someone asked me, show me your Mother…and because I do only the things my Mother does, I say, if you have seen me, you have seen my Mother also, because I do only what my Mother does……so in this, I have showed you, already, my Mother, by the very works I do and the words I say, for I only say what my Mother tells me to say….so when you hear me…you hear my Mother. But instead of this, Jesus is supposed to have said, if you have seen me you have really seen me, for I am me, or rather I am my own Father. ?? Huh? Is that how you really think Jesus talked? Sounds rather looney to me.

Phillip, I have only done the works of my Father and only said the words of my father, so how can you say, shew us the Father? I have already shown him to you by my works and words. Proof? Sure: John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father in me? (I am in me and me is in me also? Is that what you think Jesus said?)…No. He said God is a Spirit, and that Spirit of God is in me. He is telling me what to say, and I only say what he tells me to say. The words that I speak unto you, I speak not of my own thoughts, but the Father, which dwells in me, he does the works. Believe me. Do you believe Jesus? Believe me that I am in the father and the Father is in me, or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

If you cannot believe what I am saying, (Jesus speaking), then at least believe that the works I am doing is the works of my Father and the words I speak are my Father’s words. So I have already shown you my father. Now. (their version: I do not speak my own word, but I speak my words. I am in me and me is in me also. If you don’t believe this, then believe me, for I am in my self, and my self, is in me also.)

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Now for the real bomb-shell… he that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and even greater works than these shall he do… so if the works prove that I am the Father, then shall you be the Father even more, for you can do the same works I am doing. So if I must be the Father to do this, then you will be even more-so the Father. And you can do greater works than this, because I am staying myself….means my father.

Did he say that? Nope. He said you shall do greater than these BECAUSE I GO UNTO MY FATHER. (but really, I am my father, so I do not have to go to my father. He is in me, so I do not have to go anywhere to go to myself. I am the Father. I am always with the Father…don’t have to go anywhere to be with myself.) that is how the world teaches John 14.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Ask in my name, and I will do it that I may be glorified in myself. HUH? Well, after all, self is the father of self? Right? According to the Jesus-only folks, this is the solid truth. And I am not changing a thing. This is just how it would have to read, if they are correct.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him

(Now, [and remember, I am only saying this as Jesus would have had to say it, according to the Jesus-only doctrine], He that loves me, will be loved of me, and I will love him.)

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.

(If a man love me, he will keep my words, and I will love him and I [we] {see, he made a mistake here, by saying ‘we’ when he really means just me}, will come unto him and make my {our} {{same mistake again}}, (he thinks he is a plural being)), abode with him.

Now for the big lie! The word which ye hear is NOT MINE. Hear that? Jesus is telling one here, according to the ‘jesus-only doctrine’. He said the word is NOT MINE. Yet he is the only one whose it could be?? Not mine, but the Father’s which SENT ME. (No, he had to say, not mine, but really is mine, (see, I am just kidding ((Jesus)) but is mine because I sent myself.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

(His words, according to them)…The Comforter, is really me, in disguise, and myself will send my self in my name, and myself will teach you all things, and bring it to your memory, all I said unto you).

And last of all: John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

(According to them…that the world may know that I love myself, and as myself gave myself commandment, even so I do.)

Now, I have not added a thing here, except exactly how it would have to read, if the Jesus-only doctrine were true. Did Jesus really speak that crazy? But the real proof is that it must not cross other Scriptures. Did they check this out? Not at all. Now don’t forget, Jesus told them, if you have seen me, you have seen my Father. And if you have known me, you should have known my Father also. From henceforth (this source) you have seen my Father.

So. (check it out)..

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (You have seen God from me, this source, you have seen my Father. See, the son is in the bosom of his self and declares himself.)

1jo 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 1jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. 1jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

(Yes, you have seen God when you looked at me, for I am God, said Jesus? Right? According to millions of church folks, this is right. If we love one another, I dwell in us and my love is perfected in us. We know we dwell in him and he is us, because he hath given us himself. We have seen that the Father sent the Father to be the Saviour, or the Son sent the Son to be the Saviour, or I sent myself to be the Saviour?)

Well, well. So it does cross Scripture. Two different verses saying that no man hath seen God at any time. Yet Jesus said if you see me, you have seen HIM. It also says here that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. It does not say the Son sent the son, or sent himself. It does not say the Father sent the Father or self.

Yet, in spite of all this solid proof, that they are misinterpreting John 14, they totally over-looked this and went right on in their false doctrine, teaching the world lies. In spite of all this proof, they had not considered that perhaps they are not seeing the real truth here. In spite of all this, an entire church is built upon this false, sand foundation of lies.

Do they really seek truth? Do they really care? Do they really love God?

By: Jo Smith … Sept. 17, 2007

I Said Unto You

From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551 (Original Message) Sent: 3/22/2007 8:08 PM
~I said unto you ~ By: Jo Smith March 21, 2007

If we are to believe some doctrine, we need to know that Jesus taught it or confirmed it. We also need to know that the Apostles and Prophets taught it. In other words, it must be stated in Written Scripture. If you believe something which is not written in Scripture, then you have no foundation or proof. It has not been established by God to be truth. It must be stated at least twice in Scripture to be established as truth. It must have two witnesses. Nothing is established with only one witness, by decree of God.

So while the ‘storm’ rages among all church folks, about who Jesus is, what did Jesus say? What did the Apostles say? What did Moses and other prophets say? Now the burden of proof is on those who claim something which is not taught in Scripture. It is not up to those of us who say it is not written, to prove or disprove their doctrine. The very fact that it is not written, is all the proof we need. But to those who insist upon claiming a doctrine which is not written in Scripture, thus setting someone’s word above God’s Word, then it is their place to PROVE what they are saying. All I need for proof is that it is not in Scripture. For instance, trinity. It is not once written in Scripture, so that settles it for me that it is false. Rapture? It also is not taught in Scripture, so it is false. Some say well the ‘principal’ is taught. Then you must prove it with some written Scripture, else you are just accepting some man’s interpretation. Private interpretation is forbidden by God and proves it is wrong.

So now, lets check what Jesus said about himself. Who did he say I am? If you say that he is God, then you must find where Jesus said, I am God. I say it is not in Scripture. God told us many, many times in the OT Scriptures that I am God and there is none else beside me. So now, If Jesus were that same God, why would he not make it clear? Why would he never one time say, I am God? He did not claim to be God, because he was not God.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Joh 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

Now carnal minded men think Jesus was saying that he was living in heaven before he came here. That is not what he is saying here. He is telling those people that they are of this world system and he is not. He is from God’s Kingdom, same as I am. I am also from above. It does not mean he lived there before he was born here. That is carnal interpretation, for no Scripture states this.

There was a man sent from God, named John. Does this mean John lived in heaven first? You decide for yourself.

Not in verse 24 Jesus said if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. The false churches claim this means that we must believe that Jesus is God. But see, nothing has been said here about being God. Those Jews wondered too. They asked him who are you? Jesus said unto them even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. So then if you think he meant he was God, you must go back to the beginning of his ministry or life, and find where Jesus told them, I am God. Now when you find me that Scripture, I will hush about this. But until then, you need to listen to this truth.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. (He is WITH me. He has not left me alone! HUH? Yet this false church claims that he is all alone in eternity.) See they are calling Jesus a lie.

Jesus said, when ye have lifted up the Son of Man, then shall ye know that I AM HE. Now that was the answer to their question, who are you? The Jesus-only people twist this Scripture where it said they knew not that he spoke of the Father, to say it refers to this. It did not. He was speaking of the above verses when he said if you had known me you should have known my Father also.

He was NOT saying I am the Father. He said ye must believe that I am the Son of man. You twist this Scripture totally out of its rightful words to say he was telling them I am God. He said no such thing.

Jesus referred to himself, or Scripture does, as Son of Man some 85 times in the New Testament. That is far above what is required to make it established. How many times did he say, I am God? Not one. Wonder why? Now look at this:

Mt 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Mt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Right there, in two verses, Jesus called himself the Son of man. Both times he was speaking of after his DEATH. He said the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father. So he is still Son of Man. Proof?

Ac 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

That was Stephen as they stoned him to death. He said the Son of man is in heaven now, at the right hand of God. He did not say, I see God. He said I see the Son of man.

Re 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Now there is the same one coming on that white cloud. He was like unto the son of man. Had not changed one bit from this like unto the Son of man.

Lu 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Now see that Luke said the son of man is coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Still the Son of man. He still is not God.

Lu 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Now that is enough proof that when Jesus returns to earth, he is still Son of man. For those of you who claim that he was God before, and left that a while, then went back to heaven and picked it back up, what do you make of this? Where is your proof? Prove it with written Scripture, as I have done here.

John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? Joh 9:36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? Joh 9:37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

Here we see that Jesus told the man the Son of God talked to you. Not once does he ever say, I am God. Most of the time he referred to himself as Son of man. But on a few occasions he confessed to being the Son of God, but never God. Most of the time when Son of God is mentioned, it was someone other than Jesus saying it. His inner man was the Son of God, not his outer man. His outer man was Son of David, human flesh. His inner man was born of God, the very same way our inner man must be to be a son of God. It was spiritual, not physical.

Jesus proclaimed his oneness with his Father, for he was in total agreement with God at all times, never rebelling and doing his own way or speaking his own words. Watch:

John10:30 I and my Father are one. 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Now that Scripture has been greatly misused to try and accuse Jesus of saying he was God or equal with God, just the same lie those Jews were falsely accusing him of. They wanted to kill Jesus. If Jesus were here today, teaching his truth, most church folks would still want to kill him. He could not stay on one single group on the internet, except ours. None of the Apostles would be welcome anywhere, except here.

How do I Know? Because I teach exactly what they said, and it is not welcome anywhere. When Jesus asked them why they wanted to kill him, they said because you, being a man, makest thyself God. See they were falsely accusing Jesus, for they had no idea what he meant. They misinterpreted every word he said, just as people still do. But see how Jesus showed them that it is not what he was saying. He said if he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, why are you saying I blaspheme because I said, I am the Son of God?

Now that is what Jesus said I am. He said, I am the Son of God. He said I am the Son of man. He never once said, I am God. Where did he say that? Now that is what Jesus told them from the beginning to the end. That is what is meant in John 8. If you believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Who are you? Even the same that I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING.

All he ever said was I AM THE SON OF MAN….I AM THE SON OF GOD. Never once had he told them I am God. Yet an entire false church sprang up around the lie, that he said, ye must believe that I said I am he, and they claim he meant God. It is blasphemy! This is who Jesus told them he was, son of man, son of God. They said who are you? He said even the same which I SAID UNTO YOU. So what else did he ever say unto them? Nothing!

When the rich young ruler came to Jesus and said, Good master. Jesus rebuked this and said, why do you call me good? Only one is good and that is God. So here Jesus flat denied being God. He refused to let this man call him good. This should be enough proof to everyone.

When Nicodemus approached Jesus he said, we know that you are a teacher COME FROM GOD, for no man can do these works except GOD BE WITH HIM. With him. Same thing Jesus said, He is WITH me, he has not left me alone. Why is everyone calling Jesus a lie? Jesus accepted this salutation from Nicodemus, for he had the truth. He was not accusing Jesus of being God.

AMEN!

The Breath of Life

Freeborn,
I was thnking because nobody can explain how Jesus was the WORD….And I explained that the WORD came out of GOD’s mouth….And then it dawned on me…Jesus was the breath of life…..


Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.



Genesis 6:17 (KJV)
17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.



Genesis 7:15 (KJV)
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.



Job 33:4 (KJV)
4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.


There is alot more in the Bible about this.. I need to study it out more….

What do you think?

Tweety

We Beheld His Glory

Date Posted：04/25/2011 11:34 PMCopy HTML~~ We Beheld His Glory

~~John 14: 14.  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Now, go back and read that again.  It did not SAY THAT THE WORD IS JESUS.  JESUS IS NOT THE WORD.It did not say Jesus was in the beginning with God.  It said the Word was.Rev. 3: 14.  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;Jesus was the beginning. 

He said so himself.  He was the beginning of a new creation of God..that of creating men into the likeness of God = glorified.  In Jesus was the Word.  In the beginning. In Jesus. In Jesus was the Word.Rev. 1: 8.  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Now see that Jesus said he is the beginning?  But this was at the resurrection.  This was the beginning of the New creation of God.  This was second man Adam which was made a quickening  SPIRIT.Now as for the ‘FLESH’ which the Word was made, it is the very same flesh which he said we must  EAT in order to have life.

Now you are assuming this is the human man Jesus, right?  Of course you are.  So then, how are we going to EAT that human flesh?  Tell me that.  How are you going to get a bite of his flesh and eat it.  How are you going to get some of his blood and drink it.  If you think it means the human man which Mary gave birth to, then you must find a way to  EAT THAT HUMAN MAN AND DRINK HIS HUMAN BLOOD.

Remember Jesus said God is a  SPIRIT.  HE ALSO DECLARED THAT A SPIRIT HAS NO FLESH, BONES, OR BLOOD.  So that gives us another problem.John 1: 14.  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of theFather,) full of grace and truth.Now read this read carefully.  Don’t just take what that fake church told you it is saying.  It will damn your soul to believe a lie.  Get the truth.  Don’t trust anyone to save your soul.  Get this truth for yourself….The  WORD  was made FLESH. 

Now this is the FLESH we must eat to have eternal life.If it means Jesus’ human body flesh, then you must find a way to take a bite of his human body and chew it up and swallow it.  Now that is what he said,  unless you  EAT  MY FLESH , you have no life in you.  Didn’t he tell us that?Now, ..we beheld his GLORY, Now think about this  GLORY for a bit.Is human flesh GLORY?  Nope, sure is not.He was a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.  He came here is the likeness of sinful  FLESH.  Is that glory?  Nope.His image was marred more than any man.  Was that  GLORY?  Nope.He came here as a servant.  Isa. 42.  Was that glory?  Nope.When we see him, there is no BEAUTY that we should desire him.  Is that  GLORY?  nope.He was beaten and killed.  Was that  GLORY?  nope.He went into hell.  Was that  GLORY? nope.Is this the Jesus of the Scriptures?  Of course it is.Then what was the  GLORY?  Let the Word tell us.

John 17 1.  These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
 2.  As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
 3.  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
 4.  I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
 5.  And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.Now here Jesus asks the Father, at the time of his crucifixion, to glorify him.  See then that he did not have the glory while here in human flesh.V5– “glorify me with thine own self with the  GLORY I had with thee before the world was”.So he is asking for the GLORY of his Father to be given to him.  How could this be?Romans 1 1.  Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
 2.  (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
 3.  Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
 4.  And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:Now we are getting to the truth.v1………the gospel of  GOD,v3—–concerning  HIS  SON  JESUS  CHRIST OUR Lord.  which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh. Now this is his human flesh.  Was this  GLORY?  nope.  If so, why did he pray just before his death, for the Father to glorify Him?v4– Declared to be the Son of God with power……by theRESURRECTION  FROM THE DEAD.Acts 13: 28.  And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.
 29.  And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
 30.  But God raised him from the dead:
 31.  And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.
 32.  And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
 33.  God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. ( now this clearly says that the day God beget Jesus as his son was the day he raised him from the dead).
 34.  And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
 35.  Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.  (Jesus was corruptible)
 36.  For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
 37.  But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.  (because God raised him up).v30–God raised Jesus from the dead.v31–They beheld him many days.v33–God fulfilled the promise of Psm 2, Thou are my Son, this day have I  BEGOTTEN THEE.  When?  Read the rest of the verse……in that he hath raised up Jesus again. Now here is your two witnesses in Scripture saying that the day God beget Jesus as his Son was the Day he raised him from the DEAD.If you deny this, then you must call both Peter and Paul a lie, as well as this KJV which says that they told this.Peter declared that God fulfilled Psm. 2, thou are my Son, this day have I begotten you,  in the day God raised up Jesus from the  DEAD.Paul said the same thing in Romans 1:3.Want some more proof?o.k.  Rev. 1: 5.  And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and thefirst begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,Now again we have Scripture declaring that the day Jesus was  BEGOTTEN was the day he was raised up from the dead.And there are more… for now lets just go back to John 1: 14…we beheld his  GLORY, as the GLORY of the only  BEGOTTEN of the Father.So when was this glory beheld?  The day of the resurrection.  this is the Day God beget Jesus Christ as His only Begotten Son.  This is the day the curse of human flesh was done away with and the GLORY of glorified flesh given to Jesus.Now notice not one word has been said declaring that the day Jesus was born in a stable was the day God beget him as his Son.  If you think this is the day he was begotten, go find that verse and quote it here as I have done this.  Not one words declares that being born in a stable into human flesh is  GLORY.GLORY —FIED   FLESH.Now there is your answer.  There is the  FLESH  the WORD was made.  They beheld it many days. We are still beholding it.  We are still  EATING it.  If not there is no life.Now don’t just scoff at me——— get in here and study this.  Read it.  Ask God for understanding and truth.If you refuse this truth, God will send you to hell.  Now you don’t need that.  Jesus’ first man Adam body is not the FLESH  the Word became. His WORDS are  SPIRIT….AND THEY ARE LIFE…….HIS WORDS ARE GOD…..HIS WORDS ARE THE FLESH WE MUST EAT…HIS GLORY WAS THE GLORY-FIED  BODY.Immortality is the GLORY.Luke 14: 26.  Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?Now this verse proves that Jesus suffered BEFORE he entered into his GLORY.  So it proves he did not have the GLORY before his resurrection.  So the Word and made into FLESH which had  GLORY.  This is the resurrected Son of God.God bless all who read this.  Let their understanding be enlightened.(cont.)

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The Word Was Made Flesh

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Date Posted：04/25/2011 11:37 PM

July 11, 2002

The Word Was Made Flesh

Luke 4:4——-Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

John 6:27—Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

v33—For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Here we see that ‘meat�?and ‘bread�?in the word are synomous. Jesus said he gives life unto the world. So, that is showing some ‘life�?other than the life we are born with. For we already have that.

V35-And Jesus said I am the bread of life

v50–This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. This makes it look like he means his death; but it means he gave us his words. His words give us eternal life. His death paid the debt for our sins.

V63–It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life.

Study this chapter carefully. It is wonderful.

To the unlearned, it looks like doubletalk, because it is spiritual. First, Jesus said the bread is my flesh you have to eat to live eternally. They get a picture of having to take a bite off his arm etc. Many left him over this, because they did not understand spiritual talk.

Then he says the flesh profiteth nothing. Now it looks like he reversed what he had just said, that his flesh gave them eternal life. And that is nothing???? Woe, here. What is he saying??? Well, let’s look at it.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the words that I speak are spirit and they are life.

So there, we have it. The WORDS he spoke —-that is spirit——-that is life——-the Word was made flesh—- now it begins to come together… The Word is flesh, but not the body of clay he stood there in. See it??? I hope so. May God help all who read this to receive this great revelation.v53—-Except ye EAT the FLESH of the Son of man, and DRINK his blood, ye have no life in you.

Take a bite of his arm????? Take a sip of his blood, out of his arm???? No Noo No!!!

That is what the carnal mind thinks. But he said the WORDS I speak , that is what I am telling you to eat and drink. How do we eat that??? By studying and receiving the engrafted Word. The truth of it.

So this proves it is not talking of the fleshly body of Jesus. When it says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, it is talking about the same kind of flesh Jesus said here we were to eat and drink. See it does not mean the man that he was, but the Words, the Spirit in him. The Word became flesh=(words we can take into our souls and live=eternal life—not temporal life) We are still to eat the same flesh today that they ate back then. Do we have the man Jesus here, now to take a bite of, if it means his literal body. But see, he made it plain that he spoke of the message he brought to earth. The word of God.

For this is one of the most misunderstood passages in the Book. And the most important one. For unless you get this right all your understanding will be messed up from now on.

The Words I speak are spirit and they are life. Unless ye eat my flesh, you have no life in you. The word was made flesh. But not carnal flesh. Not flesh that could die. This flesh (spirit—word) was eternal life. Can never die. Praise our glorious God and His Son Jesus Christ, our Lord.

Jesus said pray, “give us this day our daily BREAD.. Now, what was he talking about??? Is he saying to pray for food for our bellies???? No. He is speaking of the Words = revelation of God’s Word.

So, we are to receive something fresh out of God’s Word each day. To grow thereby. Grow in grace and KNOWLEDGE of the Word. Without it, there is no growth.

But, back to our original thought. Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeded out the mouth of God. Is he saying as most people think that we are not to live only by our daily food we eat at our table? No, he is saying we will not have eternal merely by the daily portion of Word we receive.. We must finally get to every word. Understand the whole truth.

11Thes.2:10-12—-because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie; That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

He that endureth unto the end shall be saved. Receive Word each day till you understand and believe all the truth or else be damned. He that putteth his hand to the plough and looketh back is not fit for the kingdom of God.

I hear so many people who think it does not matter if they see it right or not, ——folks, do not be deceived by this misconception. unless you believe the TRUTH you will BELIEVE A lie and be damned. So it is clear that believing it wrong =(a lie) will damn you. Please, don’t take getting the truth lightly. Your soul depends on it.

That is what Jesus meant “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

When he said the Word became flesh and dwelt among, it is not talking about the man Christ Jesus; it is saying Mary conceived in her womb, by the Holy Ghost a human person, Jesus made of a woman, made under the law, made of the seed of David, made in all points like unto his brethern, tempted in all points like unto his brethern, but, the Word that was flesh was the words that was spirit the message inside him.

That fleshly man was not that word . The word inside him was. Jesus , the man, had a mind of his own the was subject to sin and be disobedient just as Adam. Just as we do. He could have sinned, he could have disobeyed, he could have failed, but he did not. If he had failed the word of God would have gone back to God, and our creation would have been lost eternally. But, that kinsman redeemer is still a man, a glorified Son in Heaven. He ever lives to make intercession to God for us.

The word ‘FLESH�?has been so misunderstood in the Word of God, that it is causing many to completely miss the true meaning about one of the most important things in all the Word.

This verse, 1Tim.3:16— is one of those teachings being twisted out of its real meaning by misunderstanding this word ‘flesh�? in it’s Scriptual meaning.

To really understand what is meant by this verse you must first find out what God meant by ‘flesh�? In order to do this, read Romans 8:9—-But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you….

Now it said you are not in the FLESH if Christ be in you. So, is this saying you are not in your human body?? No! Of course not! So what does it mean? Remember, you must find Scriptual answers; Scriptual meanings.

John 6:53—Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the FLESH of the Son of man, and DRINK his BLOOD, ye have no life in you.

v54—Whoso eateth my FLESH, and DRINKETH my BLOOD, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day..

v55—For my FLESH is MEAT indeed, and my BLOOD is DRINK indeed.

v56—He that EATETH my FLESH, and drinketh my BLOOD, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

v57—As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that EATETH me, even he shall live by me.

v58—This is that BREAD which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this BREAD shall live forever.

Now, Jesus told them over and over they (we) must EAT his FLESH and DRINK his BLOOD in order to have eternal life. Do you think that flesh is his human body? If so, how are we going to take and eat his human body? How are we going to get some of his blood from his human body and drink it? Unless you do this, you have no life in you.

Now remember Romans 8 said you are NOT in the flesh if Christ is in you. So here the flesh could not be speaking of your human body; for you surely know that you are still in your body; for if you are not in your body, you would be dead.

Look back at v 6—For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

v7—Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

v8—So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Now don’t you see, that this could not mean if you are in your human body, you can not please God? For then, how could anyone ever please God? You would have to die and be out of your human body, if that is what he is speaking of.

But, he said he means a MIND. So, then the FLESH is a MIND; A THOUGHT; A WORD. It can be either a carnal MIND or a spiritual MIND. That is the FLESH he is meaning. The FLESH is A MIND. THE KIND OF MIND, THINKING YOU HAVE.

Now, go to John 1:14—And the Word was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So this grace and truth is a MIND. This FLESH is a MIND; WORD.

Now put all that together. It will clearify what is meant by eating his flesh; it means to understand his Word; to read or hear and understand his Word. His Word is his Flesh he said we must eat. Eat = understand; feed off it; take it into our mind. This gives us a spiritual mind which gives us life. See, to be spiritual minded is life; to be carnal minded is death. So, we must EAT his WORDS (FLESH) to have eternal life.

Now, take that and apply it to 1Tim.3:16—–when it said God was manifest in the FLESH, it does not mean Jesus�?human body; it means the Word that He gave us; this was his flesh we are to eat.

So, he manifest God in the Word. God is the Word. The Word is God. The Word was made FLESH and dwelt among us. That is how he was God with us; it was the Word in him. The Word did not die; for indeed it can not. His Word is forever established in Heaven. In the beginning was the Word; this was NOT the human man, Christ Jesus. It was the FLESH of God = His Word; the spiritual mind.

God sent that spiritual mind, the Word, here in his Son, Jesus. That is what Jesus said we must eat to have life; not his human body.

This is the great mystery. This Word, this mind, this FLESH, was justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Now don’t you see, that if it is speaking of the human body of Jesus, it could not have said it was ‘preached unto the Gentiles�? for Jesus had already gone up to Heaven before the Word was preached to Gentiles. What was PREACHED to the Gentiles? The WORD OF GOD; this is the FLESH; this is the BREAD; this is the SPIRITUAL MIND; this is the LIFE; this is the LIGHT.

Don’t you see that he said this is the BREAD? Bread is food. Meat is food. So, if it is something to eat, then eating must mean something other than what we do at our dinner tables. It is feeding our minds. It is reading, taking into our souls and minds the WORD of God. So, the Word is God, the Word is the FLESH we must eat. This is how God was manifest in the FLESH; IT WAS THE WORD.

If you believe it means the man Jesus, when it said God was manifest in the flesh, then please take that concept, of eating his FLESH and teach it and all these Scriptures in this message. When it said the Word was made FLESH, if you think that means the man Jesus, then please explain to us how we are to eat that flesh. For we must eat it in order to have eternal life.

Now all you people using (or rather misusing) 1Tim.3:16— to try to say that Jesus was God, please explain how we are not in our flesh if the Spirit of God is in us. How did that take me out of my body? How are we to eat the body of Jesus? You must find the answer to these verses in the ‘light�?of the flesh meaning Jesus�?human body. Or else, you must come to see that this is not what is meant by saying God was manifest in the flesh. Thy Word, oh God, is forever settled in Heaven. Amen

I did a lot of work tonight to bring you these messages. I did it in hopes that the sincere ones who desire to know the truth of the Word will be able to take these short messages and study them as you have the time and get a full understanding of these things. Having all this together should help open it up. Many time, we read some here then some there; and forget what we read before. Therefore it never becomes clear. But with all this organized together, maybe you can see it. At least I hope so.

John 1:1~~~~In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Now a question for you ~~~~~~~~ What is he speaking of here about in the BEGINNING?

What is the BEGINNING? The BEGINNING of What?

Revelation 22:13~ (Jesus speaking)—- I am Alpha and Omege, the BEGINNING and the end, the FIRST and the LAST. There you have it. I am the BEGINNING. In JESUS WAS THE WORD. Beautiful!!!!!!!!! Now isn’t it???

Revelation 10:9-10-

9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

10And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

Jeremiah 15:16-

16Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

This is the flesh we are supposed to eat. The word, the book.

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Virgin With Child

This is one of my answers on the Yahoo. question/answer religion section, where I do most of my work. the question was,  If Jesus was God, was heaven without God while Jesus was on earth.  
My answer:

Jesus was not God, nor did he exist before he was born. He was born just like us, only conceived without sex. God sent his Holy Ghost which overshadowed Mary and caused her to conceive a child NOT by putting a seed of god inside Mary…
but
just by being God he can bring forth life any way that he chooses. So he chose this means of bringing a child into the world, which man had nothing to do with.

this child grew in grace and knowledge and favor with God and men. He never sinned and loved God all his life so much that when he was 30 years old and was baptized by John,
God sent the Holy Ghost
and put this Holy Spirit inside JESUS, thus, the VIRGIN of Isa 7 conceived a son of God, inside his heart.
Thus Jesus was a virgin with child; child of the HOly Ghost.

It brought forth the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, at his resurrection. Romans 1:4.

After this, God took this holy man to heaven, set him on God’s throne and gave this holy man to be our Lord and our God. We are now commanded to worship this Son of God

Then Jesus became the God who puts the Holy Ghost inside us, when we repent and he begets another son of God, inside us.

thus we are a VIRGIN WITH CHILD…CHILD OF THE HOLY GHOST, to be born AGAIN, at our resurrection.

Now if you read all of this, you will have heard the real truth, probably for the first time.

Can you hear it? If so, you too can be a virgin with child of the Holy Ghost, If not, you will never be saved. any of you.

Eat His Flesh?

Sorry to say, but they have been shot a bunch of lies. When Jesus said eat my flesh and drink my blood, HE DID NOT MEAN HIS HUMAN BODY OR BLOOD.

That is the great error. since the catholic leaders had no spiritual understanding they made up junk that a cracker turns into the literal human body of Jesus. such deception!

but all the other religions fell for the same kind of error..thinking that Jesus meant his human body. Not for one minute. no one can eat his human body or drink his human blood. He did not mean that for one minute. So it is all grave error.

Eucharist is not even mentioned in any Scripture. It is made up stuff.

Everyone who accepts man’s lies, instead of studying and believing the truth of God’s word, is going to lose their souls.

Now, what flesh did Jesus mean? what blood? This same error leads the Jesus-only folks to declare that Jesus was God because it said his blood.

It did not mean human blood. when it said the word became FLESH, everyone accepts the lie that this means Jesus was the word of God, for the Word of God got into Mary’s womb and came out a human being.

shew! such error! So what flesh did Jesus mean for us to EAT? the same flesh which he ATE to have eternal life.
Yes, believe it or not, Jesus ate the very same flesh which I eat. He drank the same blood which he said for me to drink!

The life is in the BLOOD. watch>>> The words THAT I SPEAK ARE SPIRIT…..AND….THEY…ARE….LIFE.

Get that. JESUS SAID THE WORD I SPEAK IS LIFE.

So life is in the blood. Flesh means FOOD. Jesus ate the Word of God for God fed it to him. Deut 18:18.
Jesus ate the Word of God for his eternal life.
He ate the word, for it is DRINK. Drink that Word of life. It is the River of Life. Drink it. 
Jesus said, Come to me and DRINK and out of your belly shall flow RIVERS of living water.

So you can come to ME and drink the very same water/blood that Jesus gave out = the word of God. I am giving it to you right now. eat it.
Take it and eat it and it will be health to your souls.

Eat the Word of God; it is the same food/flesh, that Jesus himself ate…hence, he said my flesh. MY SPIRITUAL FOOD.

Now any of you take God’s word and prove what you teach and try to prove this wrong. IT CANNOT BE DONE. so flee those carnal lies. if you want eternal life…you must EAT THE WORD OF GOD.

Jeremiah

Read these words and understand that GOD can do this to anyone on this earth today.. GOD is not dead….GOD can and will do what he did in the Bible…Do you believe?  Tweety

Jeremiah 1:4-10 (KJV)
4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
6 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.
7 But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.
8 Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD.
9 Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.
10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.

Grace

Good Morning Group,
Well my mind told me to do a search on the word “grace” in my Bible…. And so I am reading scriptures about Grace.  Let us talk about Noah.. If you ask anyone today, who was Noah in the Bible, all would say the man that made the ark and saved the animals.. But guess what? And I just realized this just now. Everyone is missing the most important message about Noah. People do not realize that Noah had found grace in the sight of GOD.

That is the most important message about Noah.. The story about him making the ark during the flood is a way for people to not know what the most important thing was about Noah. How many of the OT people before the flood could say that they found grace in the sight of GOD? Not many? Abraham, Sarah, let us not forget EVE! She is the beginning of GRACE! Many people do not see this either, and me and Freeborn are labeled “lunitics” for saying what we say…So what! It is true, and GOD gave people that truly seek GOD the true message in scriptures…Let me give you some scriptures before I get too far into this…

Genesis 6:8 (KJV)
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

How did Noah find Grace in God’s sight? Does anyone know? LOL! And all you know is that he built an ark. Do you think that if you build an ark you will find “grace” in GOD’s sight? I bet you do…

So my homework for all people today is go back and read the story of Noah, and come back and tell me how he found Grace in the eyes of GOD. And I bet you it will not be because he built an ark! LOL!

Love always,
Tweety

Abraham, Isaac, & Jesus

Good Morning Freeborn,
May you be feeling better. I have been reading again. This time very slowly, so I could see if somethings that Enoch said could be lined up with scripture.

But I ran into alot more things that I have been not seeing for a while.

The first question that I have is: Did you know that Abraham and Isaac were a type and shadow of the sacrifice of Jesus from GOD? Well, what made me think of this is this verse:

Genesis 22:7 (KJV)
22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
Genesis 22:8 (KJV)
22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.


<!–EndFragment–>Ok? First of all, Issac asked about the lamb for the burnt offering! Does anyone not understand that Jesus is called the Lamb of GOD? Proof?

John 1:36 (KJV)
1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!


<!–EndFragment–>Does anyone see that when Abraham said in Gen. 22:8 that “GOD will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering”? That lamb that God was going to provide HIMSELF was JESUS. Now from again what Abraham said, it proves also what GOD said to Abimelech in a dream when Abraham was in Gerar. God said that Abraham was a prophet. And I did not see that before. So, I did learn something new from reading the other night. Here is the verse proving that Abraham was a prophet of GOD.

Genesis 20:3 (KJV)
20:3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man’s wife.
Genesis 20:4 (KJV)
20:4 But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?
Genesis 20:5 (KJV)
20:5 Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.
Genesis 20:6 (KJV)
20:6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
Genesis 20:7 (KJV)
20:7 Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine.

Ok, Now that we got that out of the way. Now let us move to another subject, which is the meaning of the name Methuselah. The Hebrew meaning of his name means: “He shall die before the flood or deluge.” Now, you know that Enoch did name his son this? So in naming his son, he was prophezing of the flood that was to come in Noah’s day. Enoch is truly a great person. For the people that come here and read, Enoch was the son of Jared.  Jared was 162 years old when he had Enoch. Please read Gen. 5:18.

I have some other things to discuss, but I must re read it again…

Have a Blessed Day.

Tweety
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My Vision of Jesus

Back in the early 70’s, I was in with a small group of people who had home prayer meetings. We had all left the church system at this time. God had led each of us out of that. We began praying together. At first, we were kind of weak in this matter; but after a while of consistent prayer, we came to have the great power of God each and every time we met together.

We did not try to have a ‘church’ type meeting; but rather we just sat facing each other. We prayed for Jesus to lead us each time. We met almost every day. I fully believe this is how God intends for us to worship.

The Holy Ghost always led us what to do. We each waited for His leadership. It was more wonderful than I could ever describe.

One night we were at a friends home. At first we were all kind of bound down and could not pray. We were all in the same bondage. Then God moved on me and I knew what to do. I stood up [we had all been kneeling] and said out loud, Satan, I rebuke; I refuse to be bound by you. when I said this, The Spirit of the Lord moved on each of us and we began to break forth in great praise and worship. We really had the victory then.

After that we always knew how to have victorious services.
Then at another prayer meeting at this same home, we were all kneeling and praying. Soon after the prayer began, I began to see a vision. In the vision I was kneeling at the foot of the cross. Jesus was hanging on it. I was kneeling with several other women. We were all crying.

I felt this great love coming from him to me. I felt compelled to look up. As I looked up, Jesus was looking straight out. But when I was looking up at him, he looked down at me. He had the most beautiful eyes, so full of the sweetest love I have ever seen. They were so tender looking; so full of love.

It was just so awesome to feel, that I just looked back down. But then, I looked up again; again he was looking straight out. But as I looked up, he again looked down at me with that same tender look of compassion and love.

This happened several more times. It was thundering and lightening and misty dark all around us. He had black hair.

This was an open vision; it lasted quite a long while; not just a momentary thing. I looked at this vision for a good five minutes or so.

After the vision lifted, I came back to my present surroundings and told the others of the vision I had experienced. Every one of them told of a vision they had each had. Each one of us had experienced a different vision of Jesus. Each vision was similar; but different.

It was quite amazing. The glory and joy of this wonderful Spiritual visit is beyond description.

Jo

Jesus, Man or God?

 

First, when Jesus said, My Father and I are one…he was speaking of his heavenly Father, not an earthly dad. The, being one, does NOT mean they are the same person. Being one, means they are in total agreement, harmony and equality.
When Jesus said, My father is greater than I, he was speaking of His Father being a SPIRIT, while Jesus was an earthly man.Watch people claim stuff which is not once named in Scripture, thus adding to God’s word, which is a grave sin, trying to back up a false doctrine.

Let them quote a verse which says, Jesus gave up part of his glory, and left heaven and came to earth.
That is lies of satan. It is not once told in Scripture and is a big part of the confusion everyone has when it comes to understanding God.

Now, the genealogy in Mat, is a spiritual line. It is not descending daddies. It is the spiritual father, or the one who led the next generation to God. Notice it only goes back as far as Abraham? Why? Because Abraham is the father of the righteous. This line is not the natural line to Jesus. It is the spiritual line to Christ.

Notice, it says, there are 14 generations between Abraham and the next break, David. then 14 again to carrying away into Babylon. Then another 14….to Christ…but count them…Jesus is 13, Joseph is 12…..so what do you make of that?

See, CHRIST means the resurrected Christ, so this one is the only begotten son of God, not the natural Jesus.

See, Jesus is the virgin which bore the Emmanuel. Jesus is the virgin which gave birth to the only begotten son of God, CHRIST.
That CHRIST IS IN ME. That is my hope of glory. We, the anointed ones, the ones with the Holy Ghost, are this CHRIST, JESUS BEING THE HEAD OF IT.

It is a full body of believers, who are born again. this is the Christ, the only begotten son of god.

Now see, how false teachings have perverted the real truth and hidden it to everyone? The anointing of God taught me this, not any human being.

Now back to the natural line in Luke. Notice it says Jesus was the son of Joseph. Now everyone says only as a step son. but Scripture does not say this. It is supposed. But scripture says, being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph. Being …means he was.

Like it or not Jesus was a full human, being the son of Joseph…but conceived without sex. In Isaiah 8, there is evidence of another child being born this same way. There had to be two witnesses of this, one being in the OT.

So I say God sent the Holy Ghost and carried seed from Joseph to Mary, without their touching each other. Like it or not, this is the only doctrine which fits what Scripture says, without adding or taking away from what God SAID.

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