How Many?

Date Posted：08/11/2010 8:04 PM

You all, trinities and JW and Jesus-onlies, all do greatly ERR, not knowing the truth of God or his word.
Where did any of you get the idea that God is just 3, or just 1?
What makes any of you think that you can NUMBER God?

What makes any of you think that the God kingdom is anything LESS than the HUMAN kingdom, which this God created?
How you all do belittle the great God by thinking that your tiny finite mind has God figured out, and counted.

You JWs deceive yourselves into thinking that you have it down right…that you love and obey Jehovah, while totally ignoring his own word and command, in Heb 1, to WORSHIP HIS SON> and that this great God, called his Son, GOD.

Why do you ignore Heb one? Can’t deal with it? And why does the Jesus only folks also ignore this, seeing that the Son had to be designated to be God, by his Father, whom he said, in John 17, is the only true God?

And why does trinity folks ignore the fact that Jesus said, I do only what my Father tells me to do, for my Father is greater than I….thus destroying the false idea that they are two equal parts of god?

See, none of this is right. You all need to stop listening to man, and get into the Holy Word of God, only, and study and pray and seek to know God’s truth.

You cannot measure or count the eternal God. It is foolishness to try.

How does husband and wife become ONE….? ONE FLESH? they are just one? any of you know?
The people before the dispersion at the tower of Babel, were all ONE. I mean all of them…Gen 11…the people IS ONE.

Now some of you explain this to us.

God Is One

It is truly amazing to see so many blinded to their own words…such as the three…THREE are ONE. Yet they still claim monotheism. If they can see THREE as One, why not millions as one?

I have asked this question hundreds of times, and not yet received one single answer to it. In Gen 6:6, God said, of that entire world full of people…THE PEOPLE IS ONE.


Yet everyone goes to where it says, the Lord our God is one, and they totally think this is two different things. Not so. It is the very same words. The people (that entire world) is ONE.

God is One.
Jesus himself prayed, in John 17, that we ALL MAY BE ONE AS THEY ARE ONE.

I have also asked this hundreds of times, and not one answer…how are we all ONE? Paul said, ye are ALL ONE.


In 1Cor 12, and in Romans 12, Paul showed that as the body is made up of many members, so is Christ, and that Christ is the image of God.


Now that proves that the God kingdom is made up of many members, just as the human kingdom is.


God is ONE…means they are all in perfect harmony, in one mind and one accord, as on the Day of Pentecost….the 120 were in ONE….GET THAT…ONE MIND…AND ONE..ACCORD.


But God is one– means that they are not divided against each other. They are in total agreement and perfect love for each other…there is no jealousy among them…they do not envy each other,…it is perfection, perfect love…which is their intention for us…to bring us to one mind and one accord…no divisions among you.


Yet the church world has no concept of this ONENESS of God. They have invented false doctrines and lies. There is no such thing as trinity, for God is made up of MANY (INNUMERABLE MEMBERS) just as we are.

We are one as they are one. So the teaching of monotheism, as they mean it, is totally wrong. Yet it is a monotheism, in that they are not many different gods, at enmity with each other. It is ONE KINGDOM IN PERFECT LOVE AND HARMONY. It is the most glorious thing anyone can imagine…hence humans cannot imagine it. We are too divided to understand perfect ONENESS; LOVE.

By: Jo Smith Nov 4, 2010

Can I Get A Scripture?

Can you give a Scripture?

I have challenged Trinitarians over and over —- WHY DO NONE OF YOU BRING FORTH EVEN ONE WORD OF SCRIPTURE PROVING THIS LYING DOCTRINE?
I would be afraid to keep believing a doctrine for which there is not one single word of Scripture. I am asking again, bring forth one verse stating this doctrine.

It just cannot be done — yet I would venture to say 85% of the ‘church’ world believes this lie. The rest believe the Jesus only lie. why is this? No true revelation from the Holy Ghost.

  1. They say Jesus is the ‘second person’ in the god-head. ……now I ask someone, any trinity believer to please give me one verse which says this. If you cannot, then maybe you better check up on what you rest your soul on.
  2. They say the Father is the ‘first person’ in that god-head. Again please give me one verse saying this.
  3. They say the HG is the ‘third person’ in the god-head. Scripture, Please?
  4. They say these are all three co-equal beings, made up of the same substance. Verse, please?

They say these are all three men, for if they are the same substance and co-equal, then they must all be men or they must all three be spirit which? Give Scripture.

  1. They say Jesus was just as much God as the other two >>> then how did he die? Can God die? Please give verse for this.
  2. They say, God the Son. Please find the verse which uses this term.
    Jesus had the HG inside himself. If the HG is a man just as Jesus is, and they are of equal substance, then HOW DID JESUS HAVE THE HG INSIDE HIMSELF?
    Please explain with Scripture.

Jesus also said the Father was inside himself. Again if the Father is a man, same as Jesus, how was the Father inside Jesus? How are they inside us? … If they are men. Also it says we have Jesus, the Father and the HG inside us….. now I ask you,, is this three co-equal beings inside me? Is it three men? Is it three Spirits? Which. If you say spirits, then this is denying that Jesus came in flesh. If you say men, then you must believe that three men are inside us. If you say one is a man, Jesus, and the other two are spirits, then they are not all three of the same substance. And also then Jesus a man has to be inside us. How is this possible? Think? Are you on solid ground?
Is this trouble making? NO– I am trying to get you to truth. It is necessary for salvation to know and BELIEVE THE TRUTH.
The word said if you believe a lie you will be damned. Is trying to keep you from being damned trouble making and hate> No.
By saying Jesus is God, please explain how Mary gave birth to God.
So which is it –where they all three men? or are they all three spirit? if spirit, then how did man nail a spirit to the cross and kill him?
The HG was inside John before he was born. So if the HG is a man as was Jesus, how was he inside an unborn baby?

If he was not a man, how are he and Jesus of the same substance? How were they equal?
Is there any solid truth or Scripture supporting this teaching? Can any of you answer even one of the questions with Word?

If not, how long will you cling to a doctrine which you can not find one word of God to back it up? Have you no fear of believing something which is not written in God’s word? Is this why so many of you are trying feverously to discredit the entire Word of God?
If any of you here are serious about having eternal life, you need to get into this study and find answers.
If you cannot prove any of this teaching with the Written word. There are some who say the spirit without the written word teaches them, then you tell us how it teaches you this is] –
but if you cannot prove this lie, and you belong to a church which teaches this, then I would say it is TIME FOR YOU TO CHECK UP ON YOUR CHURCH…..ARE YOU BEING LED ASTRAY BY A FALSE CHURCH? Sure sounds like it to me. If your church teaches this, then get some of them [pastor] or teacher, to give you the proof out of the Word then give it to me. If they cannot, better run for your eternal lives.

See, that word ‘incarnation’? That is a devil word. It was used in connection with idol deities long before Jesus was born. That word is NOT EVER, NO NOT ONE TIME MENTIONED IN THE WORD OF GOD. SO IT IS A LIE.
God never at any time ‘robbed’ himself in human flesh. God never came to this earth as man. God never was inside a woman. God never at any time died on a cross. God never at anytime was seen by man. God never at anytime was born from a woman. God has never been human flesh.
His Word was not the Son, Jesus. Jesus was not the word. The Word was inside him. That is the flesh we eat, the message he brought us. His words were spirit and life.
His words were the Father’s words. He said the Word I speak are NOT MINE, BUT THE FATHER’S WHO SENT ME.
Christ is the HEAD, OR AUTHORITY OVER MAN; BUT GOD IS THE HEAD OR AUTHORITY OVER Christ.

Jesus did not exist before Mary gave birth to him. This is not taught anywhere in the Book. The error of saying Jesus was the Word is what causes people to get this false notion. It is not taught in the Word.
The Word is God’s thoughts expressed. That is God.
There is a difference in these two words; look at them:
LORD,,……and Lord.

See the difference? LORD refers to the Father. Lord refers to Jesus.
That is one reason so many people are confused. They know not this. So when they read about LORD,,,,,,, then Lord they think it is of the same being. But it is not.
Jesus Christ was set up on the throne of God by God himself and made to be our God. But only after his resurrection and ascension to Heaven. God is a many-membered Kingdom. Their ‘oneness’ refers to their unity, perfect love, and harmony. This is what they are trying to bring us to: perfect oneness with each other; perfect love; unity, agreement.
Paul said you are ALL ONE. Now get this.

As Christ is one body, yet many members, so is God. for Christ is the IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD.
So no one can explain God. He is a kingdom. Jesus is a human being. If you say God is a mortal man or ever has been a mortal man, go read Romans one. It comes from a reprobate mind.

all of you, listen to this truth.
the word ‘incarnation’ is NOT in the Word of God. Therefore it is a false teaching. It is throwing the entire truth off in your minds.
Jesus Christ was not eternal in the heavens. the Word ‘beginning’ in John 1:1 does not mean ETERNITY. gET THIS it does not mean the beginning of time known as eternity.
the Word plainly teaches that JESUS IS THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING.
nOW DO YOU not know that Eternity had no beginning and it will never have an ending? Study the word. Get away from all these so-called scholars. They also were deceived and not in truth. If you believe their words, you are denying God’s word.

I am telling you what the word says. It says Jesus is the beginning. It did not Jesus was IN THE BEGINNING. IT SAID JESUS IS THE BEGINNING.
Jesus ENDED THE OT. HE TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY. THEN HE BEGAN THE NT. He is the Beginning of the NT. That is all this means.

It said the Word was inside Jesus. The Word is God. God was INSIDE CHRIST. He is inside me. but not because I am God. Because he placed his spirit into me when he gave me the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. Unless you have receive that baptism, you do NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD INSIDE YOU.

Now Jesus was the first BEGOTTEN FROM THE DEAD. This means that at his RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD, HE BECAME THE FIRST SON OF GOD BEGOTTEN IN THE IMAGE {glorified] son of God.

This is when the word was made flesh; not when he was born.
He was not an eternal Son . This is no where taught in the Word. If you think it is , find me that verse.
God is not just [1] person or personality. but neither is he [3] persons or personalities. This is such false junk.
God is an innumerable host of HOLY BEINGS ALL UNITED IN ONE PERFECT HARMONOUS KINGDOM.
Now everything in the Word shows this. Everything in nature shows this. He said the invisible things of God are CLEARLY SEEN BEING UNDERSTOOD BY THE THINGS WHICH DO APPEAR.
That means everything you can see around you, shows the true nature of God. Everything you see around you is in plurality = innumerable. Is God any less? No!
Count the stars if you can —– they show the true nature of God.

Count the grains of sand on the seashore if you can—–they show the true nature of God.
Count the kinds of insects if you can —-they show the true nature of God.
Count the invisible germs if you can………..etc…….see the picture?
Nothing in nature or the word shows God to be just [1] or [3] beings. This is junk of Satan.

Not one single Scripture says God is a trinity. No, not one. Now if it is not written, it is a lie. We cannot ADD to the Word and find any truth. It is true that God fills heaven and earth and all that there is……….BUT we can only know him by what He himself told us in His Word.

That is why to stay with the Written Word is the only safe way. It is the only way to know truth. If God did not say it, it is a lie.

God did not say Jesus is God. God did not say God is a trinity. Trinity is NOT ONE TIME IN THE WORD OF GOD. It is a lie made up by the Catholic church.

The only place where Jesus is said to be God is after His resurrection when God raised Jesus up to be God with the God kingdom BECAUSE OF HIS PERFECT LIFE OF OBEDIENCE.

Now if the earthly man Jesus had been God, then his perfect life would have meant not one thing. God had no temptation to sin. Jesus was tempted in all points as all of us humans are.

He overcame sin as a human being; not as a god.

Isaiah is speaking of a time AFTER GOD THE FATHER SET JESUS AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND AND TOLD US TO NOW WORSHIP HIS SON SAME AS HIM.

We now worship Jesus as our God. But this still does not mean that Jesus is or ever was GOD. it is just not true. Jesus did all that he did by FAITH IN GOD. Not as being God.

When Jesus said unless you believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Read that . He was saying unless you believe that I am the son of man. He was not say I am God. Jesus NEVER ONE TIME SAID I AM GOD.

Paul never one time said Jesus is God. Peter never one time said Jesus is God. No one in the Word declared I believe Jesus is God.

If you can find one place show it to me.

It is just not there.

Warning! False Doctrine


Warning!!
Be very careful of the ‘split-Jesus’ doctrine.  what is it?
the false Jesus-only ,  Jesus is God, and there is no other.  definitely anti-Christ doctrine.
 
Jesus’ outside, or body, was fully human…..
His inside or his own mind/spirit/soul, was God.
 
In other words,  God was not IN Christ.  His insides was God.
 
Lots of difference.  Certianly NOT Apostolic doctrine.
 
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I Am He

Would GOD have to have another give him power? Would GOD have to have another God give him or anoint him with yet another God?  There are questions you need to find the answer to. When you must dodge most Scripture and questions which pertain to certain verses, in order to hang to your churches doctrine, and you cannot answer the questions, know that you are in error and know not the truth. I sent one running like a scared rabbit two days ago with such questions.  happens thousands of times.  They do not have the sword or power to stand in the battle.  >>you think there should be no battle?  then why did Scripture tell us to battle?


Honestly CONTEND  for the faith once delivered to the saints.  so, let’s just do that;  here and now: even if you cannot respond to this openingly, at least do so in your own mind, to see if you truly are in the FAITH once delivered to the saints. John 8 is one place that ‘they’ greatly misuse to try and say that Jesus said he was God.   let’s just see: first this: 16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. do you believe Jesus?  he said, I AM NOT ALONE.  He said two here bearing witness of me. Now here is where they misinterpret and say that Jesus was saying I am God.

 But he said no such thing.  watch: 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
If ye believe not that I am he……and they say this proves he was saying he was God.

 But where does it say that?  It does not say that.  continue: 25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. 26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.  27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.  28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he,  and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. 29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. 
They asked Jesus, who are you.  He said the same that I told you in the beginning.

 So go back to the beginning of his ministry and recorded words.  Go…find and show me one place where Jesus told anyone,  I am God. It is simply not in scripture. So what? HE then said, WHEN YOU HAVE LIFTED UP… THE …SON..OF  MAN.. then shall ye know THAT  … I.. AM..HE.
NOW IS THAT plain enough for any of you?  Jesus was saying, if you believe not that I am the SON OF MAN, you shall die in your sins. So now, where is your false doctrine?
Acts 10 declares that God …  anointed…. Jesus…with the ..Holy Ghost…and power. Now let’s read that according to the church doctrine, that Jesus is God and Holy Ghost is also God. God anointed God with God. and power.
makes a lot of sense, yes?
Jesus said, after his resurrection,  All power in heaven and earth  .. is….. GIVEN ..to …me.
So now, why did  God have to have power given to him?  who gave it to him? Can any of you show the answer?
not with your churches twisted words, but with SCRIPTURE.
I pm’d a certain local ‘preacher’  with these same questions;  guess what…NO ANSWER. …they have none.


By: Jo Smith,…July 4, 2015 

Where Did False Doctrine Come From?

Where did the doctrine of an incarnate god come from?  Incarnate means that the eternal God left heaven and became a human being, wrapped up in human flesh.  So, first, where is even one scripture telling us that such a thing happened?  I know of none.  Where is one OT prophesy showing that this was going to happen?  I know of not one.

Did even one NT apostle or disciple teach this doctrine?  No.  Did Jesus teach this?  No.  Then how did it become the main doctrine of all main-stream churches?  

First they perverted one little word…the word  ‘one’.  How did this one word deceive the entire world?  It is simply because when it comes to Scripture, they lay their minds down and forsake right thinking.

Genesis 11: 6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, ….

This is the word of the Lord;  He said, the people IS ONE.  He was speaking of the entire world of people at that time.  IS  is a singular verb.  So he saw the entire word of people as ONE.  So does it mean the digit … 1…?  Could not mean that.  That would mean, (according to church doctrine of God),  that there was just 1 person on this earth.

Again, Jesus’ own words:

John 17:  20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

 21 that they all may be one;

 as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Jesus prayed that we would ALL BE ONE.  …as He and the Father are ONE.

So does this mean he wants us all to become just… 1… person?  See, such foolishness when it comes to interpreting the Word of God…… rightly divide the Scriptures.  But no.  All they do is distort and change, take away from and add to God’s word….a sin which HE forbids.

Galatians 3: 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Here is Paul agreeing with Jesus…. ye are ALL ONE in Christ Jesus.  So, the prayer of Jesus was fulfilled.  We are now all just…1.. .person…as He and his father are just…1… being?  right?  Not at all.  Again, it is sheer foolishness, to uphold the false doctrine brought up by the babylon church, beginning with Roman Catholic priests, who perverted the doctrine of Christ and picked up the idols of devils.  Surely any right thinking person knows that we are not all just…1.. person?   But when it comes to God and Jesus, that understanding flies out the door, (of their brain).

Long before Jesus was born on this earth, there was the doctrine that a woman birthed a son, who was really a god.   This actually was prevalent on the other side of the flood, as Adam taught this lie about him and Cain.

But now back to our side:  Nimrod of old and his wife, claim that she birthed a ‘god-man’.  This was Tammuz which even old Israel worshiped.  So this was the beginning of the babylon lie that a woman birthed an incarnate god.

Then there was the myth that another woman, (an idol, called Estor), birthed a god-man, from an egg which fell down from heaven.

This is certainly not all of them, but I am not going to go into all of them.  Anyone who wishes to know the truth can do some studying and learn these truths.

Each country in the long ago had this ‘mother-god-son’ myth.  They called them by different names, but the claim was the same.  Nimrod was supposed to have died and then been re-incarnated in the son, Tammuz.

This lie was believed by almost everyone on this earth.  Each country had their idol god, which was a god come down in the likeness of a man.

Each country also had a THREE-HEADED GOD.  Yes, their god-man was actually a three-headed god.

Again, you can verify this with a little bit of research….that is IF you want to know the truth.

So, now we have a distortion of the word O N E.  The Israelites seemed to have started this lie of a god, who consisted of just…1…BEING.  A monotheistic god, as they call it.  They claim he was all ALONE, in eternity, and very LONELY…God?  Longly?  such foolishness.

I ask anyone who holds to this lie,  GIVE ME ONE SINGLE VERSE WHICH SAYS THIS.  You can’t, so STOP ADDING TO GOD’S WORD.  He will add the plagues to all who do this.

When old Israel started the Roman Church, that ‘church’ was filled with all the idols of all the other nations.  They picked up all the idols for old Israel had loved and worshiped all the idols of the heathen.  If you ever read the OT you would know this.

History records that Rome picked up all the idols of every nation they conquered, and that was all of them.

So, in order to deceive the Christians, who were refusing to come under that false church, they made up a doctrine which stood true to the idolatry of an incarnate god.  There was always this queen of heaven in all the idols of all the nations.  So it was only natural that Rome picked up this queen of heaven to be their ‘goddess’, who would bear that incarnate son of God.

They then created their idol of Mary.  They then brought up the ‘other jesus’ that Paul had warned would be brought up.  Now, they had their idol queen mother and her god-man son.  All is well.  Now we can still worship our idol and deceive the world at the same time  =  keep our ‘christian’ members happy and intact. 

But they also had to stay true to the ‘three-headed god’ that the heathens loves so much.  So they invented the trinity lie.  God the father is first.

God the son (a term not even in any scripture)…yet they teach it…this one is second.

then they had to deal with the Holy Ghost, or ‘spirit’ as they say, (afraid of the word Ghost).  

So now they claim, God the holy spirit is third.  

Yet not one word of this is written in God’s word.  They now had their three-headed god and their mother queen and her incarnate god-son.

Beginning with Adam, this incarnate god-son had to have a birthday celebration.  He was said to have been born at the winter solstice.  So, in order to get their ‘christian’ members to go along with this heathen practice, which every nation had, they invented this ‘birthday of jesus’ thing, on Dec 25, the birthday of Tammuz and Adam’s god-son, Cain.

The ‘estor’ son had the egg hunts, because he was hatched from a heavenly egg that dropped down from the sky.  So this babylon church began this fake celebration of the resurrection of their idol, jesus.  It also honors the resurrection of Nimrod as Tammuz.

The Roman empire, along with all other nations, had their winter solstice  birthday party, for their sun-god on Dec 25.  This Roman party or celebration was called Saturnalia.  Look it up in any encyclopedia.  You will find it was done EXACTLY as xmess is done today  = schools closing;  businesses closing;  partying;  gift exchanging.  The only place this practice is mentioned in Scripture Is Rev 11  = the celebration of the death of God’s witnesses.  This murdering of his witnesses began with Abel…. so do not think it has not happened yet.

This partying and celebrating the death of God’s witnesses began when Cain killed Abel.  You can find this also, by research.  It is something God revealed to me, but then I found the proof.  Look up the feast of Adam and Eve.  You will be quite shocked.

This is where the false doctrine of a trinity god came from.  This is where the false doctrine of an incarnate god came from.  This is where your easter and xmess celebrations came from. 

God actually blotted the day of the birth of Jesus out, Job 3, and forbids it to be celebrated.  Again it is forbidden to be blessed in Jer 20.  The decorating of green trees, as part of this idol worship, is forbidden in Jer 10.  Yet even till today, the church world just loves these idol holidays.  They are in total DEFIANCE to the Living God, whom they are deceived into thinking they are worshipping.  They are in reality worshiping all these idols of the heathen from the beginning of this world.

Then along came another false doctrine, to deceive even more folks.  They began a lie that God is just.. 1… being and that this ‘god’ left heaven and got into this queen, Mary, and changed himself into a man, which is this incarnate god, all over again.

Now we have millions who deny the Father of Jesus and claim that Jesus is his own father.

All I can say is,  YOU HAVE ALL BEEN SENT A STRONG DELUSION TO BELIEVE A LIE AND BE DAMNED, FOR YOU RECEIVED NOT A LOVE FOR THE TRUTH.

Every word of this message is TRUTH, provable with history, and more importantly, with the Word of God.

Yet, you cannot and will not HEAR THE SOUND OF THE TRUMPET…SOUNDING AN ALARM IN MT ZION.

By:  Jo Smith…July 8, 2015 

Proof of the Many Membered God

Date Posted：06/20/2019 1:53 PM

Proof of many membered God

~ Proof of the many-membered God ~

Today is Wednesday, 5/4/2005. Last night as I was reading in Exodus, God showed me solid proof that God is a kingdom, made up of many members. I was not studying for this or any other subject, I was just enjoying reading the Word of God. But I have been praying for God to give me more proof of this message, for it is so hard for others to see and believe this. The world has been so fully indoctrinated with the false teaching that God is either 3 or 1 person. I have challenged people for years to show Scriptural proof of this, and they cannot do it. So I must Scripturally prove that God is made up of many members. God IS a plural word. Man is a plural word. It means all humans. God means all the members of this Spirit Kingdom.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

As = quoting from Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary– 1. in or to the same degree or amount. 2. in the way or manner that . – in accordance with what or the way in which.

This is the meaning of that word AS used in the above verse… that they may be one AS we are = in the way or manner that we are ONE. See, Jesus prayed that the ones God gave him would be ONE as they, God and Jesus are ONE. So how are God and Jesus one?

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Now the above Scripture clearly states that all of God’s true people are to be made perfect, HOW? By becoming ONE as, or in the very same way or manner that God and Jesus are ONE. Now for the Jesus only people, please explain this. How are all of God’s people going to become ONE in the same manner they are one, if this means that Jesus is the one and only person involved here? We are to become perfect by becoming ONE in the same way of manner that they are one. So, if it means that God is only just 1 person, then we would have to all become just 1 person to become one in the same way or manner in which they are one. Without coming into the same oneness, we will not be made perfect. So you had better get it right, as to how God and Jesus are one. If not, you will not be made perfect.

And you who believe God is three, tell me how are all God’s people going to become three? They would all have to become three IF they come into perfection by becoming ONE in the same manner God and Jesus are one. IF they are three, then how are they one?

The true glory of this revelation is such that human words cannot describe it adequately. See that Jesus said the GLORY which God gave to him, he had given to his disciple THAT WE MAY BE ONE AS HE AND GOD ARE ONE. So then, see, that the being ONE is the GLORY. It really means that mere human beings will become the same as God, united in perfect love for each other, not lifting one above another, but esteeming each as important as any other. It means we will dwell with them, on equal grounds with them. It means we will be given immortality just as they have immortality. It means we will become into the very same kingdom of God that they are. It means that the many Christians will become one with God. It means all the Christians will be a member of the God family. It means we will all be one. God, Jesus, and all the Christians. Now I ask you, is all the Christians the only one in the equation that is actually more than one person? Think it over carefully. Jesus prayed that we will all become ONE AS THEY ARE ONE.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

So, Here Paul tells us how we become one in Christ Jesus. We all who have put on Christ or been baptized into Christ, have become ONE as they are one. Did we all become one and the same person? Think it over. The two said he, shall become one flesh. Did they lose their individuality and become the very same person? Of course not. Then why do you contend that God is just 1 person? Or that Christ is just 1 person?

Paul tells us in 1Cor. 12 and in Romans 12 that as the body is many members, yet just one body, so is Christ. Christ is the image of the invisible God. He is comparing here the human body being made up of many members as being the perfect symbol of how God’s kingdom is and how Christ is. Many members, yet just one body.

The Old Testament was types and shadows of the true Heavenly things. You can go exactly by what happened in the Old Testament to reveal how the true Heavenly things are. Moses was told by God to make everything He made exactly by the pattern shown to him in the Holy Mount.

Heb 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

See that this shows that the holy place made with hands was the figures of the true heavenly things. So then we can prove heavenly things by examining carefully the patterns made by Moses.

Ex 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. 25:9 According to all that I show thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Here Moses begins to show Israel how to make everything they needed for their law worship. They were to make a tabernacle in which God would visit Moses. In this tabernacle they would offer their sacrifices to God. But see that God told Moses to make everything after the pattern shown to him. So then, the things Moses made perfectly reveal the things of God.

Ex 25:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering. 25:3 And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass,

Ex 25:4 And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats’ hair, 25:5 And rams’ skins dyed red, and badgers’ skins, and shittim wood, 25:6 Oil for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense, 25:7 Onyx stones, and stones to be set in the ephod, and in the breastplate. 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.

Ex 25:9 According to all that I show thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Re 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Now see that this speaks of the tabernacle of God and the temple of God having the ark of his testament in it. So then, the tabernacle which Moses made is an exact pattern or picture of this Heavenly Tabernacle. Moses placed the Ark of the Covenant inside their tabernacle, just as it is here in the true Heavenly Tabernacle. Study the description of the Holy Jerusalem, and you will see that the tabernacle Moses had made fits this description perfectly.

Moses made an ark of shittim wood, overlaid it with pure gold, and made upon it a crown of gold. They made staves of wood overlaid with gold to carry this ark with. It was laid on the shoulders of the priests to carry. Ex 25:16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee. So inside this ark was the covenant of the Ten Commandments, the power of that law covenant.

They made a mercy seat of pure gold. Ex 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. 25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.

This mercy seat, representing the Grace Covenant, was placed above upon that ark. The two cherubims of gold represent the Two Witnesses. This mercy seat and the two cherubims are representative of the New Testament and only true Church of God, the Apostolic Church. Their being on either end of the mercy seat shows that the Two Witnesses were on either side of those seven churches. These are the two olive trees which stand before the God of the earth.

God told Moses, I will meet and talk with you there from the mercy seat. God will not commune with the people under law. They must come to the mercy seat, Grace.

Then they made a table of shittim wood and overlaid it with pure gold, and made thereto a crown of gold round about. This table also had the staves and rings by which they carried it wherever they journeyed.

This table represents that law. It is the table at which the king of the North and the king of the South both spoke lies.

Ex 25:31 And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same. Ex 25:32 And six branches shall come out of the sides of it; three branches of the candlestick out of the one side, and three branches of the candlestick out of the other side:

This candlestick, with the seven lamps, represents those seven churches in Revelation.

Now all the above was furniture or things which were made to go INTO the tabernacle. The tabernacle is representative of the Kingdom of God. Remember Revelation spoke of the tabernacle of God. This is the pure type of that kingdom.

WATCH:

Ex 26:1 Moreover thou shalt make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work shalt thou make them.

These ten curtains represent those ten virgins. They were all in the kingdom at one time. Realize that they made BOTH that ‘table’ [law] and that ‘candlestick’, [seven churches] and those two cherubims [the two pure churches, those two witnesses.] So each of these are in the kingdom as those ten virgins.

Ex 26:2 The length of one curtain shall be eight and twenty cubits, and the breadth of one curtain four cubits: and every one of the curtains shall have one measure.

The curtains were to have one [equal] measure. This shows that to God they were all as one.

Ex 26:3 The five curtains shall be coupled together one to another; and other five curtains shall be coupled one to another.

Ex 26:4 And thou shalt make loops of blue upon the edge of the one curtain from the selvedge in the coupling; and likewise shalt thou make in the uttermost edge of another curtain, in the coupling of the second.

Ex 26:5 Fifty loops shalt thou make in the one curtain, and fifty loops shalt thou make in the edge of the curtain that is in the coupling of the second; that the loops may take hold one of another. Ex 26:6 And thou shalt make fifty taches of gold, and couple the curtains together with the taches: and it shall be one tabernacle.

Those fifty loops and fifty taches of gold represent the Day of Pentecost, which is represented by those fifty days after the crucifixion, that the Holy Ghost fell upon the disciples. This fifty is the jubilee. This is the freedom of being set free from law. These fifty also represent all the people who come in through the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. They are part of this kingdom of God. They are represented here in this tabernacle, for this tabernacle represents the kingdom of God. Now these fifty loops and taches were used to join all ten of those curtains together into ONE TABERNACLE. Thus they are no longer ten separate curtains, but one tent. Nobody now sees them as ten curtains; they now see one tent or tabernacle. All of these separate items, or beings, are now in the kingdom of God. They are now a perfect image of the kingdom of God. They were made up of many members, who were joined together into one perfect tabernacle or kingdom.

You may think, well, this is only ten curtains and 1,000 loops and taches, so this is not many. But take another look at what is truly to be counted here. Before there was even one curtain, there had to be MANY threads and the threads had to come from somewhere. Where do you suppose the people acquired these large, heavy curtains? They had no stores to buy them from. And even if they had, the curtains STILL had to have been made from innumerable threads. Each thread was at one time a SEPARATE and individual member of this tabernacle. The threads had to be woven, or joined into one curtain. But those innumerable threads still exist, but now no one could ever see them as separate threads again. They are now only seen as one curtain.

It is the same as a tree, or any other thing in nature. Do you suppose anyone could possibly count all the separate members of a tree? Of course not. How could one count all the cells which make up one leaf? Or one root? Or a piece of bark? Or the berries, or fruit or branches on a tree? How could one count all the cells in your own body? Each one is a MEMBER of your ONE body. And believe it or not, each one has a life of its own. Some die before the others. Others are ‘born’ to take its place. This continues all the days of one’s life. Trillions of innumerable cells and other members of our body make up this one person or body. This is the very reason God said the very hairs of your head are all numbered. It is showing here that each cell is considered as a separate member of our body. God knows the number of hairs each person has had or will ever have. Some fall out and others are born to take its place. Each one was a member of your body. So it is with God. Each of us are a member of the one Human Kingdom. So it is with God’s kingdom. Do not for one moment think that God is any less!

Ex 26:7 And thou shalt make curtains of goats’ hair to be a covering upon the tabernacle: eleven curtains shalt thou make. 26:8 The length of one curtain shall be thirty cubits, and the breadth of one curtain four cubits: and the eleven curtains shall be all of one measure.

Ex 26:9 And thou shalt couple five curtains by themselves, and six curtains by themselves, and shalt double the sixth curtain in the forefront of the tabernacle.

Ex 26:10 And thou shalt make fifty loops on the edge of the one curtain that is outmost in the coupling, and fifty loops in the edge of the curtain which coupleth the second.

Ex 26:11 And thou shalt make fifty taches of brass, and put the taches into the loops, and couple the tent together, that it may be one.

Now here are the two witnesses saying that these separate curtains [members] are joined into being ONE.

Now they are no longer considered different pieces, they are considered one. Notice that the separate members are still there, but now they are so united they seem to be only one. They now make up one tent, instead of many different curtains, threads and loops, etc. Remember that in our beginning Scripture we showed that the tabernacle Moses made was a pattern of the true Heavenly tabernacle of God? This is the proof then that the true tabernacle of God is made up of many members. This tent is not made of just one big woven piece of cloth. It was made up of many different and separate curtains, loops, staves and other items. From the very beginning it was made up of many threads and other material too numerable to even think about.

Just consider these curtains made up of goats hair. Think how many [unthinkable] goats hairs it took just to make one large, heavy curtain! And those women sat and weaved all those hairs into large curtains. Their weight was tremendous! Think how many goats were represented here. How many gave their lives so these curtains could be made! This represents all the goats [hypocrites] who are also into this kingdom until the end of the world. So the lambs and the goats are both represented here in these curtains.

Now we are not finished with this tabernacle yet. So read on:

Ex 26:12 And the remnant that remaineth of the curtains of the tent, the half curtain that remaineth, shall hang over the backside of the tabernacle. Ex 26:13 And a cubit on the one side, and a cubit on the other side of that which remaineth in the length of the curtains of the tent, it shall hang over the sides of the tabernacle on this side and on that side, to cover it.

They had doubled that sixth curtain of the second group of curtains made for the covering. They had coupled five curtains together and then six together, making eleven in all. Now they had set this sixth curtain so that it was in the forefront of the tabernacle. So when it was finished, there was one half of this curtain on one side of the tabernacle, and the other half hung over the backside of the tabernacle. God is taking in everything of his dealings with mankind from Adam down to the end of time in this tabernacle. They were ALL ONE. Even though we are all different and have different ideas, we are all still just one human race. This is the perfect pattern of the Heavenly world of GOD.

So, what is that HALF CURTAIN? Remember, it is one curtain split in two. It is none other than the Two Witnesses of Revelation ELEVEN.

This was that eleventh curtain made for the covering. It joined or came between the two sets of five. There were five curtains on one side and five on the other side with this eleventh curtain cut in two and coming in between. Remember there were five wise virgins and five foolish virgins. See the wise were the ones who came into grace and the foolish were the ones who clung to law. Everything in the entire Book or world has to do with these two covenants, or the two trees in the Garden. They are law and grace. Everyone who has ever lived or will ever live is either in law or grace. You cannot be neutral.

Most people think that the only piece they carried with the golden staves was that Ark of the Covenant. But this is not true. In Numbers it tells how they divided this work up among the different tribes. As they prepared to move, the first group would go close up and carry the Tabernacle. A different group would close up and carry that table. Each category or section had to closed up, packed a certain way, and carried by someone on their shoulders. It was a tremendous job! Take the time to study Exodus and Numbers. You will see we have not been taught much truth about this at all. It is quite interesting to say the least. They all had a job to do in order for this tremendous set-up to operate properly. This is the exact pattern of the many-membered Kingdom of God. The church should be operating this same way. But it is far from it. The church is run dictator style. One man rules and runs things. It is not of God. This desire to rule over others is of Satan. See, under this method of doing things, the people could never be ONE. This is the very reason people should come to understand this true meaning of God being one. It means that although they are many, innumerable members, they are all in perfect harmony and love and not one of them rules over the others. This is the oneness Jesus prayed for us to come into. But not one church on earth could truly claim to be one in this manner. It is so divided nothing of God could be in it.

Ex 26:33 And thou shalt hang up the veil under the taches, that thou mayest bring in thither within the veil the ark of the testimony: and the veil shall divide unto you between the holy place and the most holy.

Ex 26:34 And thou shalt put the mercy seat upon the ark of the testimony in the most holy place.

This ark with the mercy seat upon it was placed into the most holy place, showing the grace of Jesus being the most holy place. This is proof here also that the church is not represented by this mercy seat. The church is not in grace. The church is represented by the candlestick. This candlestick, or the seven churches, are NOT in the most holy place. They are outside in the holy place, law. Only those in Grace are in the most holy place. If you partake of law at all, even one place, you are on the outside.

Ex 26:35 And thou shalt set the table without the veil, and the candlestick over against the table on the side of the tabernacle toward the south: and thou shalt put the table on the north side.

I have been seeking to true meaning of the symbols North, South, East and West for many years. Yesterday God placed into my mind that the North represents the LAW. The South represents the Church, gone back to law = those seven in Revelation.

Today as I studied this, I saw right here the proof of this. Notice that table represented the law. So it was placed outside the veil on the ‘north’ side. That candlestick represents the seven churches. We know they all went right back to the bondage of law. They are represented in Scripture as the South. Notice, they placed the candlestick toward the south. This ‘table’ of law is that table in Daniel at which the kings of the North and South sat and spoke lies. Both law groups, the nation of Jews, and the backslidden church, speak lies against God.

So here, we have that OT Law group and the NT law group both represented here in this tabernacle. God is taking in everyone who ever lived, in this tabernacle, which is a perfect pattern of the kingdom of God. Remember that part of that kingdom, Adam and his angels, all fell away from God and turned evil. But the wicked ones were in the kingdom of God, just as the wicked ones are in the church and the world.
They are only separated at the end of the world.

Rev. 12:9. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

  1. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

See, this proves the red dragon, Satan, Adam, was cast out of heaven into the earth. At this time salvation came to God’s people. This was at Pentecost. See then that law, Adam, was the accuser of the brethren. He set that law before God and accused all who broke it. He tried to provoke God into killing all who broke the law. Only those under the blood covenant of Jesus, grace, were exempt from this death sentence of disobeying that law.

East and West represent the Grace movement of God. They are those two witnesses. See, they are separated by the in-between space. They are separated by those seven churches in time. I have many proofs of this, but will not bring it into this message. Just dropping it in here for those who might care to know.

Ex 26:36 And thou shalt make an hanging for the door of the tent, of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen, wrought with needlework. Ex 26:37 And thou shalt make for the hanging five pillars of shittim wood, and overlay them with gold, and their hooks shall be of gold: and thou shalt cast five sockets of brass for them.

Chapter 27 deals with the making of the altar. It was made with brass and had staves with which to carry it. All these things had to be carried as they moved from one camp to another. It was A LOT OF STUFF.

Then they made a large court, all of the same lavish blue, scarlet, fine linen and gold. This court represents the Gentiles and where the women stood. They were never permitted to go into that tabernacle. Remember, this is LAW. They had to make a large sea where the priests had to wash their hands and feet before ministering. If they failed to wash, they would be killed. Chapter 28 deals with the lavish clothes they made for the priests to wear. It was a tremendous amount of work and riches. I will not go into any of that here. But you truly need to study this stuff. They had 12 stones on the breastplate with the names of the tribes of Israel engraved on the stones. Those women had laboured very long and hard, weaving all that cloth, goats hair and making those curtains and priestly garments. Yet they were never permitted to go into that tabernacle. They had to watch through glass. Such a shame! That was LAW.

Compare all these riches with the simple way Jesus lived. Did he dress in such lavish, rich clothes? Of course not. Did the Apostles? Of course not. If this were the true way of God, then Jesus would have done so. Jesus came here to show us the true way of God. So why did he go poor? Why did he dress as the poor people? Why did he not have a place to lay his head? Why did he not set up a priestly office to work from? Why did he never kill an animal and offer its blood to God? Why did he not tell his disciples to do so and teach it to us?

Why did he not stone that woman to death, IF law is the way of God? Law demands to stone them to death. So why did Jesus go another way? Was he showing us the true way of God or not? Why did he reject the laws of Moses which says do not even go out of your door on the Sabbath? Since he was the high priest of God, why did he not wear these rich, diamond-clad, blue, purple and scarlet robes? Was He showing us the Way of God or not? Why did he heal on their Sabbath day?

Moses said an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But Jesus said forgive every trespass against you. Which way is true to God?

Read chapter 29. It tells how Moses dressed and sanctified Aaron and his sons. He placed the blood of a ram upon their ears and fed them the meat and bread. I ask, if this is God’s way, why did Jesus, as a priest, not perform this before he ministered? Why did he go right the opposite way? Was he showing us the true way of God or not? Were the OT Priests ever baptized? I find no record of such in the Word. Why did Jesus do this? Why John? Were they of God or not? Did Jesus or John ever burn the incense to God? I find no record of this. Did the Apostles perform this? No! It is NOT God’s true Way.

Ex 30:19 For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: Ex 30:20 When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: Ex 30:21 So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.

Now this says that unless the priests wash their hands and feet before ministering, they will die. LAW! [You want that?] I surely do not. Now if this is God’s true way, and Jesus was a priest, why did he not perform this ritual? Why was he not killed for not washing before ministering? Any one know? If this was to be a statute for ever to them and their generations, and you think this still means even now, then why didn’t Jesus do this? Was he of their generation? Sure does not seem so to me. [They were of the generation of Adam: Jesus is of the generation of Jesus Christ; two different generations.]

If this is the true way of God, then how can we say Jesus never disobeyed? Did Jesus do all these rituals? If you think so, please show it to me in the word. I have never read it. If you think those Jews all had the true way of God, and even so much so, that many people are trying to follow that stuff right today, then please show me where it is in the Word of God that Jesus did any of it? I have never found it in the Word.

Do any of you think that Jesus ever killed a lamb and offered its blood to God? I think not. Then if this is the way of God, why did Jesus not do it? You might say, well he never sinned so he did not need an animal sacrifice. But wait. There were other types of offerings too. They had the wave offerings. They had the peace offerings. Why did Jesus not perform these? Did He show us the true way of God or not? This is serious business. You had better come to see the truth. If you go back to law, you fall from grace. You will lose your salvation. Did Jesus tell us to keep that law? Where? Did the apostles tell us to keep that law? Where? Acts 15 says they gave no such commandment. Who do you believe? Them or the deceived people of today?

Verses 23-33 told of an expensive ointment they made to anoint all the vessels, the table, and the priest before they minister. They were forbidden to make any like it for themselves. If they placed it on any one or a stranger, they would be killed! Law! Why did Jesus not use this ointment to minister, if it is God’s way? In verses 34-38 it tells of an expensive perfume Moses made to put it before the testimony of the tabernacle. Ex 30:38 Whosoever shall make like unto that, to smell thereto, shall even be cut off from his people.

Wow! And people want the Old Laws and old ways of those Jews? If anyone make a perfume like this one or even smelled it, they would be cut off! I assume cut off means killed. Can you imagine this? Killed for just smelling this perfume? And this is God’s way? Then why did not Jesus tell us such things? Did He not teach us how to serve God? Is he allowing us to be placed in danger of being killed by not teaching us not to make such perfume or smell it? You law lovers had better read this and WAKE UP! You want those Ten Commandments? They are the power of this law system. They are the accusers of the brethern before God. They will cause you to be killed over very small stuff! Pick up a stick on that Sabbath, and this is capital punishment stuff!

Now we know that The Word says that Jesus kept the law of God. He never sinned. He is the true High Priest of God. Yet we do not find one place in all the Word where Jesus ever at any time performed any of this ritual stuff! Never did he put on that priestly robe, have the ram’s blood placed on his right ear, thumb, and toe. Why? He never washed his hands and feet before he ministered in the temple. He never honoured their Sabbath. He refused to kill sinners. He never killed an animal or offered any heave offering or any other kind of offering of bread and animal blood. Did Jesus obey God’s law or not? You must find an answer to this. If this were the true way of God and His true law, then Jesus would have done it all just as Moses and Aaron did.

I say this message solidly proves, beyond a doubt, that the kingdom of God is truly made up many members, each of equal power and authority. They are ALL ONE.

By: Jo Smith

Heaven Taken by Violence?😱

Date Posted：04/12/2010 12:53 AM

Good Evening Group,
I just thought I would drop in and ask this, since I am doing my daily reading. And again, I have read these verses many times, but did not understand them until now.

What did Jesus mean when he said these words?

Matthew 11:9-15 (KJV)
9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.

10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

See all the wars and crusades that were done many centuries ago is what Jesus was talking about. See people are trying to take heaven by force through violence. And that can not be done. And do you see what Jesus said here? He said that “among them that are born of women”. See he was talking about himself too. He said John the Baptist was greater. How could this be? Jesus was a great man also. Does this mean that Jesus was not a prophet? I think that is what it means. So what was Jesus? Was He greater than a prophet? Less?

I would truly like to hear what you have to say on this.

Love
Tweety

How Did Jesus Become The Son of God? And David Too?

Date Posted：03/14/2010 2:36 PMCopy HTMLThis is one of my answers from Yahoo questions, concerning how did Jesus go from Son of David to Son of God?
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The very same was we do it, by receiving the seed of God, Holy Ghost/word, into himself, and becoming the first and only begotten Son of God. Being born again, not of the will of man, but of God.
Romans 1: 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

The reason people are still in such ignorance concerning the truth of god is they never read the Scriptures, but only listen to paid preaches, who also do not study the word.

They only listen to false churches false doctrines. Each one just voices the lies of the one before them, and hand it own down to generations, too interested in ball games, video games, TV and parties, to study Scripture. Then they set themselves up as teachers of the Word, not knowing one thing about it.

Jesus was NOT a son of God when he was born a baby. He was son of David, according to the flesh. 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Read it. ..MADE of the SEED of David, ACCORDING TO THE FLESH. His flesh came from the seed of David.
Women do not pass the seed, men do. Jesus was called the son of Joseph in several verses. Just because Mary was a virgin does not mean that Joseph could not be the father of Jesus.
If god can cause her to conceive, without knowing a man, that same God can take the seed from the man, without the man’s knowing it.

Scripture does not lie. Jesus was the son of David, according to the FLESH.

That son of David, Jesus, conceived the seed of God, spiritually, inside himself, same as we must, and brought forth a perfect son of God.
The Son of God was born at the resurrection.

Stop lying against Scripture; claiming an incarnate god. No such thing is written in God’s word. It is lies of Satan.
Jesus Christ was BORN AGAIN. He was water baptized and then received the Holy Ghost. He lived for God all his life and never sinned, thus God himself beget Jesus by putting the Seed of God inside Jesus.

Jesus now begets us as sons of God, by giving us the holy Ghost. You who reject the baptism of the Holy Ghost will never be born again. You do not have the seed inside yourself.

So this is how the son of David became a son of God. by being born of God, = born again. It is really quite simple, when you have the truth.

The Real Jesus Christ (Biblical Debate)

Originally Posted by Les
When God became man ,he took upon Himself humanity,without ever surrendering His diety. The sacrifice of Himself is replete of the sacrifices offered up to God by the High Priest .Keeping in mind that the sacrifice itself had to be acceptable to God.

So God,being in the person of Christ made the perfect sacrifice by offering up Himself
to God that satisfied the justice of God. And did this without ever not being God.

As for the virgin birth of Christ,all three in the Godhead were involved in it. The humanity of man and the diety of God were joined in the womb of the virgin.
Both impossibilities ,but without exception,true.

You are taking a negative view of the trinity because you have determined to not believe it. I’m sure that the bible you use must have side notes that support the trinity,but you ignore them and insist on believing the unsupported negatives of it.

Now JESUS CHRIST IS MELCHIZEDEK in the OT….A person stated…And another person asked:

Where was Jesus a priest in the O.T. ?????? Please show us the scriptures ?????? Nothing but eisogesis on your part and quantum leaps of faith without evidence.

Funny Question:

You made the statement that Jesus has been the one and only Lord since his conception. What was he doing before then?🤣🤣🤣

Funny Statement:

Are you saying Jesus was inactive in the OT?🤣🤣🤣

The Son of God has been active with the Father and the Holy Spirit from eternity. Not quite sure of the meaning of your question friend.

I do not think this guy reads his Bible:

Last time I checked, old testament was part of the bible too?

But Jesus does say himself that he is the Father,the beginning and Ending .🤣🤣🤣🤣

And see the response? Asking for scripture of what just came out of a person’s mouth will either shut them up or make them crazy….🤪🤪

Please quote the book and passage in which Jesus Christ Himself says He is the Father,the Beginning and Ending.I know of NO such verse friend.🤔🤔

where is Jesus called the Father ??????????????????????????????????🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

You truly amaze me. The Father of eternity has a Father. Just take a minute and think about that. It is nonsense, absurd. The Creator of all things has a Father. That is blasphemous and outrageous. 🤨

Now it looks like we have to know GREEK in order to read scripture: 🙄

You need greek philosophy to interpret scripture? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

Response is so funny:

That’s right. Without Greek philosophy, we wouldn’t even have structured logic. I’m always mildly amused when people attempt to use logical arguments to decry the use of Greek philosophy; I wonder whether they ever see the irony in their actions. 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

Twisting words that are not in the Bible, did anyone else know this?

God, the Son = the Son of God. 🙄🙄

No it doesn’t. 🤣🤣🤣

Please give me a scripture that even uses “God the Son”. 🤫🤫🤫

Then it happens as always when a person is defeated:

Let me reply to this later, I’m busy right now. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I’m sorry but I don’t think you know what your even talking about.

eternal Son of God

Luke 1:35 doesn’t say “called the eternal Son of God.

It gets worse, they bring MARY into the argument….And she gave birth to GOD!!!!! 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

Originally Posted by TKN
What luke 1:35 is trying to tell us is that the child of Mary will be called the Son of God (which He most certainly was on many ocassions). In other words, Luke wants to make it clear that Mary is the God-bearer. That her child will be both God (Son of God) and man. That that man (Jesus) is the eternal Son of God or God manifest in the flesh but yet born under the Law. Now what natural man is not born under the Law? Why does Paul go out of his way to tell us that Mary’s Son and God’s Son will be born under the law? There is no novelty in that if Mary’s Son is mere man. Because it was to be God’s Son who assumed the human nature (flesh) who was to fulfill the Law of God (the moral Law) perfectly in our stead since it was impossible for us to do so.

JESUS PLEASE HELP THESE CONFUSED PEOPLE: 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

Originally Posted by Bob

And Son of God does NOT equal God manifest in the flesh.

Wow??? You just ignored scripture. ಠ_ಠ

The Son of God is eternal and has always been the Son of God prior to His becomming man. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

No support for this at all.

It is Jesus Christ who is God manifest in the flesh.

So your saying Jesus Christ , Son of God, God the Son are different persons? 🤔🤔🤔

See the Jews know the answer LOL!😏

The Son of God=God the Son friend as all Jewish citizens of His age well knew,even if you don’t.And Son of God does NOT equal God manifest in the flesh.The Son of God is eternal and has always been the Son of God prior to His becomming man.It is Jesus Christ who is God manifest in the flesh. 🤔🤔

The answer gets worse!!!!! 🤭🤭🤭🤭

Originally Posted by Bob
Father actually sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

When did he send the Son? 🤔🤔

(Luk 1:35) And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Are you saying that God the Father sent God the Son to become the Son of God?🤔🤔🤔

Unfortunately your testimony that the Father morphed into the Son just doesn’t match John’s testimony that the Father actually sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. 🤨

Now since your testimony for Christ doesn’t align with God’s word, you might want to figure out just whose words your testimony actually does align with.😄

This man needs a good Bible study:

I don’t understand, How can the Son have been eternal if he was begotten? 🙃

Bob, you reveal yourself to be unable to rightly divide Scripture. You engage in exegetical fallacies often and commit eisegesis as well. You prooftext rather than look into what the whole of Scripture reveals about an issues. So your hermeneutics is very, very poor and you appear to have no interest whatsoever in correcting this. Your poor hermeneutics is one major reason why you arrive at unBiblical conclusions. Also the fallacious responses you make like the red herrings here (you also engage in ad hominem, non sequitur, begging the question as well as many other fallacies) reveal that your position is weak and shallow. You dismiss legitimate Christian teachers with ad hominem and then expect others to accept your teachings over theirs even though you have little to no expertise and/or qualifications. Then you turn around and use similar materials thus revealing a major double-standard on your part as well. You are unable to rightly divide Scripture and are unwilling to do what is necessary to correct that. These are just SOME of the reasons why your unBiblical teachings and uninformed opinions are to be rejected in accordance to God’s instructions. 😇

To The Saints In Christ 2

From: IsaiahSent: 11/17/2005 8:07 PM
First of all I an no poet or singer but I thought this was real cute. It may not mean much to you but it was so wonderful to me that as the Lord began to give this to me tears began to flow down my cheeks. This is what he gave me and it may not be much to you but it is a lots to me.Charity is love that builds your brother up;Charity is love that never tears your brother down;Charity is love that brings your brother around;Charity is love that will never take your brother to the ground.1Cor13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.013:002 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.( see he said that a person could have all these gifts of the spirit and still not have the greatest gift of all and that being charity. Without love he said it would all be in vain.)013:003 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.013:004 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,013:005 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;013:006 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 013:007 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 013:013 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. ( he said that you could have all the faith and hope. Which is find and good but he said charity is the greatest of the three. No way am I talking against faith or hope and the one’s that know me know this.) 014:001 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.014:002 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.014:003 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.014:004 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.014:005 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying014:031 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. Some may say well I don’t have the gift of prophecy. Well I am telling you that you do. Go to Rev.-19:10-019:010 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. See it said we all may prophesy. That is what the people that are giving these beautiful testimonies are doing and what this does it edifies the saints of God. Get in here and give us a testimony. These people are trying to show you love and to be a witness for the Lord. It is not anything that they do but they are just telling how the Lord used them in certain situations. Math-005:043 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 005:044 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute youMat.22:037- Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 022:038 This is the first and great commandment.022:039- And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyselfMark-12:033- And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrificesLuke-6:27- But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,006:028-Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 006:035 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. John-13:034- A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.013:035 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. 015:012 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 015:013 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends015:017 These things I command you, that ye love one another. Rom-5:5- And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. 012:009 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. 012:010 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; 013:008 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 013:009 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.013:010 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law2 Cor.-13:11- Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. Gal.-5:013-For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.005:014-For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself005:022 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,Eph.-3:017- That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love003:019 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 004:002- With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 05:002 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

To the Saints In Christ

From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22 (Original Message) Sent: 11/17/2005 7:36 PM
To the Saints in Christ

I just wanted to post a few Scriptures about love. Love is a beautiful thing.

Matt.5:9-Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Mat.4:4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matt.5:25-Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Matt. 5:43-48–Ye have heard that it hath been said, thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans the same?

And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? Do not even the publicans so?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Matt. 6:14-For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

v15. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matt.7:3-5.And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

  1. Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5.Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thime own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

John 14:21-24. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me; and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

  1. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23.Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.

1John 2:5, 9-11.But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

9.He that saith he is is the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

10.He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

11.But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hate blinded his eyes.

1Jn.3: 13-18.Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

14.We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

15.Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

16.Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

17.But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

18.My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1Jn.4:7-`12.20,21.Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8.He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

9.In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10.Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11.Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

20.If a man say I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

21.And this commandment have we from him, that he who loveth God love his brother also.

1Jn. 5:1-3.Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2.By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3.For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.1

11Jn:5.And Now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

God bless all

Jo

The Two Leaved Gate Part 2

Second message on the Two Leaved Gates

The Word was and is God. This is the mind or thoughts of God. This was in the beginning; not just part of the Word; all of it. Every bit of the word of God was there in the beginning with God; all his thoughts were in him at all times.

Inside God were two covenants. The Old Testament and the New Testament. This Word has always been.

Solomon said there is nothing new under the sun; all that will be has already been. In the Garden of Eden was this Word; or Book; or Tree; or Kingdom; it is all the very same things.

The first covenant was the Law; this is death; this is darkness; this was added because of sin. But the covenant of life and peace was also there in the mind of God. Both these covenants have always been there for people to choose which one they will live by and obey. You cannot mix them. This is that lukewarm stage which God will not let stand. He said either make the ‘tree’ good and his fruit good; or make the ‘tree’ evil; and his fruit evil.

You cannot come under the covenant of life in Christ Jesus; and then go back to the other covenant of law and death and still have the benefits of the covenant of Grace. God just will not let you do that. Oh, you can try, and think you are doing it; but in the end God will spew you out of his mouth.

Lukewarm is a mixture of hot and cold. This produces the lukewarm. But God hates this. He said you cannot serve two master; you cannot live by both covenants.

In doing this, you are professing that you do not have complete confidence in the Covenant of the blood of Jesus; you think you must mix in the works of the law to have the sanctification and justification which leads to life. But, no!!! God said if you go back to that old law, you fall from Grace.

In the Garden of Eden, which is the kingdom of God, there were both these leaved Gates. Adam was told he could eat of EVERY TREE except this one ~ the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ~~~ see, the mixture.

I am going to show you something God showed me over twenty years ago. I could not fully put this together until this morning when God was showing me that those trees in the Garden of Eden was actually his Word; the thoughts of his mind. In his was the law; and in him was grace. One is death; the other is life. Choose ye this day life or death; you cannot mix them.. There is no death in God; but if you disobey, this brings death to you; this is the law that was in him; that to disobey brings death.

Adam was placed there in the glory of God; he was in the Garden and the Garden was in him. I am in the Garden and the Garden is in me. I am His Garden; He is my Garden. I am in Jesus; and Jesus is in me. Jesus is in God; and God is in Jesus.

Song of Solomon 4:12–A garden enclosed is my sister, my spouse, a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

That my friends is the Old Covenant— it was a fountain; but it was sealed up–no one could understand this and receive life from it. This was the first spouse of God. Israel = the law.

v15–A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

This dear ones, is the other garden, the other water; the Grace Covenant; the second spouse.

See the difference:? living waters, streams; see Jesus said it was a well and a river. Lebanon is a type of the Garden of Eden. He bought back this living Garden.

v16–Awake, o north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into HIS GARDEN and EAT HIS pleasant fruits.

See, the bride is this garden; and she calls him to come into this his Garden and eat the fruits = our love and sacrifice unto him. This is his fruit; or the reward for his work = our love and devotion and obedience to him in order to bear children to him.

Song of S. 5:1–I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my WINE WITH MY MILK; eat, O friends; drink, yea drink abundantly, O beloved. (see the types here of the WINE AND MILK, both representing the Word?)

Now, don’t you see that this is the same kind of speech that was in Genesis one and two? See, this is Jesus saying he has come into his (MY Garden)– means his Spirit has come into me and supped with me and me with him. He has given me the wonderful relationship of his Spirit; and he has received the worship I give to him. This is the MARRIAGE. This is the union of him and his bride; this is his coming into his garden.

The same thing went on in the Garden of Eden. Only there, Adam decided not to go that route; he chose to go to the law instead. He chose the blood of animals instead of believing the Word that the shed blood of Jesus was all he needed.

When he chose to go by the law instead of Grace, he knew that this covenant was sanctified by the blood of animals; so what did they do?

I know you probably will not believe this; but it is written in the Word.

Now back to the Word for a minute, before I explain the animal sacrifice Adam and Eve did.

People are telling us that the original language of the Scripture is Hebrew. But, no, this is not true. Proof? Yes. It was His Word, or Book which was those trees in the midst of the Garden. It was the Old and New testaments; yes, they were both already there.

Before the day that God confounded the language of ALL THE EARTH (Gen. 11:8), they all spoke the same language. This is not one of the known languages of the earth today. This was NOT Hebrew.

For it said he confounded the languages of ALL THE EARTH. Not a one of them now spoke or remembered the Language they had all spoken before that day. Not a single one. He confounded them ALL. He changed everyone’s language. So, that original language is not spoken today by anyone; except those who speak mysteries in the Spirit. And they do not know what they are saying. It has to be done by the Spirit of God.

So, the Word of God was there in the Garden of Eden; but it was not in Hebrew.

Gal. 3:8—and the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, PREACHED BEFORE THE GOSPEL UNTO ABRAHAM, saying In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Now, take note of this: the gospel was preached unto Abraham; long before there was a MOSES.

So this proves that the Word of God, the gospel of Jesus, of the kingdom of God, of the shed blood of Jesus, of grace, of life, all of this was preached to Abraham. This is how Abraham and Sarah knew what they were to do at all times; they were ‘reading the Word and believing it’. Abraham believed the Word and it was imputed unto him for righteousness.

So, see when Moses first wrote the words of God, he was TRANSLATING FROM THE ORIGINAL BOOK = THE MIND OF GOD = THAT TREE IN THE GARDEN = THE BOOK WHICH SAID IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME TO DO THY WILL, OH GOD.

See, God inspired him, or gave him an understanding of the already written Word, that word which was in the beginning with God, which was God. Moses was only translating this truth into the language they now spoke. Glory to God. Every book ever written here by man was a translation from that original Book of God. He inspired those holy men and they faithfully wrote what he gave them the understanding of.

This is getting too long, so I will wait and pick up on the other thoughts in the next post.

God bless you all. You really need to study this message with your Word.

The Two Leaved Gate

From: MSN Nicknamesearsjason (Original Message) Sent: 6/6/2004 5:42 PM
~The Two Leaved Gates~

John 1:1–In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Here, dear friends, is the WHOLE of the knowledge of truth. When one comes to understand the depth of this Sentence, you will know WISDOM. You will then know everything from the beginning through the end.

Isa. 45:1–Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

v2–I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: [Lev. 26:19–And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as IRON, and your earth as BRASS:]. So, these are the gates of brass and iron which he said he would break in pieces. (that of the old law).

v3–and I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

One thing I love about the Strong’s Concordance is this: you can see at a glance that as with this word, ‘leaved’ above, this is the ONLY time this word appears in all of the Word. I feel something is very special when this is the case with a word.

I looked up the Strongs meaning of this word ‘leaved’. It is amazing; because of the revelation God was giving me before I arose this morning. As I lay there relaxed and meditating on the word, God gives me profound understanding of His Word. This message came to me then. I know I am not capable of giving you the greatness He gave me. Wish I could.

Leaved ~ Strongs #1817–from 1802—- ‘to dangle, i.e. to let down a bucket (for drawing out water); fig. to deliver-draw out, enough, lift up

Isaiah 55:1–Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

v2–Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.

v3–Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

v4–Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people. [this is speaking of Jesus].

v5—Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee. [see the proof that this is of Jesus?].

v6–Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near.

Jesus said, Seek and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened to you. People, all of you can have the glorious revelation of God’s Word. It is not for just certain ones; it is for anyone who will obey this and SEEK.

If you do not seek, you will not find. This is the coming to the waters and drawing up the water of life. Jesus said come to me and DRINK and out of you belly (mouth) shall flow living waters.

Remember, my message last night on Lev. 26–how God told the Israelites they would be fed the bread of those 10 women; but they would not eat to their satisfaction? Well, here in Isa. he asks them why they spend their money for that which is not BREAD. He is saying they give their money to the whore Church; but she does not feed them enough ‘bread’ to satisfy them. That is what this is speaking of. Why go pay them; when they do not feed you the living bread. Just study this written Word; that is how ye take those buckets and draw up the living water and drink and ye shall live.

If ye ‘seek’ by studying and praying, God will give you the understanding of truth. Ye shall have this living water. We are living fountains of water. Drink out of your own cistern. That is if you have put the Water of life into your cistern [ your vessel; your mind].

This is not just for a few; it is a promise to all. But unless you do as he said, you will not find. If you go into eternity without the truth, it will be because you failed to obey this command by Jesus to SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND.

This is just an introduction to the message I want to give to you. So, please all of you, study this; keep reading as I am able to type up more of what God showed me; and please pray for me; many times after I get up and start doing things, I forget what He has shown me. This is just too great not to give to anyone who is willing to read this and learn. I really hope I can remember much of what he gave me and give it to you.

This will also be a sequence of many posts. This is not for me; it is for you. So, please print these messages out and study this; that is if you desire to Seek and Find.

The Last Words of Jesus

From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 2/6/2005 10:31 PM
~ The Last Words of Jesus~

KJV-Luke 24:36-And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

v37-But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

v38-And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

v39-Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hate NOT flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Matt. 28:16-Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

v17-And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

v18-And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.

v19-Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

v20-Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Now, look again at the message above: Jesus said to his disciples, AFTER his resurrection, feel me and see that A SPIRIT HATH NOT flesh and bone as you see me have.

So, what is it saying? Was Jesus a ‘spirit’ then? Obviously he is saying NOT so.

If, just if, he was NOT a spirit at that time (after the resurrection)– then when was it fulfilled that he was made a quickening spirit?

When Jesus ascended up on high, God the Father made him to be God; Heb. 1. God said, Therefore God, even thy God hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Jesus sat down (=took the place of authority)–at God’s right hand. This placed Jesus, as a member of the kingdom of the Father; which is Spirit. This placed Jesus into the very same ‘place’ as the Father. This made Jesus a quickening Spirit.

Proof!!

When Paul saw the bright light, which blinded him, he asked, Who are thou Lord? And the LIGHT answered, I am Jesus.

See? Jesus had gone into the pillar of fire; same as God.

The apostles did NOT see this when they saw Jesus after the resurrection; they saw a glorified MAN = A FLESH AND BONE MAN. This is how we will come forth in the resurrection.

BUT-! Jesus received an elevation up from that point= when he ascended up on HIGH, he was placed in the SEAT OF GOD. Something, the first man Adam had coveted; but had been denied.

Jesus never coveted this place; it was GIVEN to him by his Father. Jesus is the only one from the human family who ever has, or ever will receive this same ‘SEAT’.

That is when Jesus became a quickening Spirit. That is what Paul saw- this great light which no man can approach to-he saw Jesus in his new form = that of being a quickening Spirit = made equal with God.

This, dear people, is Gen. one.

Look again at 1Cor.15:45-think about what is being said here – “the FIRST man Adam was made a living soul; the LAST Adam was made a quickening spirit.”

So, does not this tell us that the Word of God is talking about TWO Adams all the way through it?

If it is in the beginning where the FIRST man was made a living soul, is it not true then, that the book of beginnings, Genesis, also told us about the beginning of the SECOND MAN Adam?

He is more important; so why would not God tell about him in Genesis where he speaks of the creation? After all, this of being in the likeness and IMAGE of God is God’s ultimate goal or plan.

So, in studying Genesis, you must keep in mind that it is speaking of the TWO Adams. You will never understand it if you try to place all that is said in Gen. 1,2,3, 4, 5, on to the earthly man, the first Adam.

Jesus was not Michael, come down and got into Mary’s womb; he was not God come done and got into Mary’s womb. Mary was not holding and nursing Michael or God. She was holding a human baby; given to her by God.

Those wicked men did not nail Michael or God to the cross. They nailed the first man Adam to the cross. He was buried in dishonour; he was raised in glory; he was sown in weakness; he was raised in power. He was sown a natural body; he was raised a spiritual body.

But, he was not made a quickening spirit until he ascended up on high. That is why he told Mary, do not touch me; for I have not yet ascended to my Father; he was telling her, do not worship me yet. Only after the ascension, when he was given all power in Heaven and Earth, were they told to worship Jesus.

The true sheep of God will someday see eye to eye.

I told this in my message on Baptism, but most people just ignored that message or went to war with it. But, see, that the last thing Jesus told his disciples was to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost?

Then WHY did the apostles, Paul , and the others all baptize in the name of Jesus? Because when Jesus ascended up on high, he was placed in the seat of authority. We are told to do everything in the name of Jesus. Why? Because only Jesus is under the authority of the Father; we cannot go directly to the Father; we must go through Jesus. We are under the authority of Jesus; we are not under the authority of the Father, directly.

For earthly man to try to go to the Father, or invoke his name = his authority, is to try to usurp the authority of Jesus. We can only do things, like praying, blessing, and baptizing in the name of Jesus = which is by his authority. Jesus is the only one who can use the name of the Father. Jesus was telling them to do this, by the authority of the Father, for it showed his speech was given by the authority of the Father. He was not telling them to use the words Father, when they baptized.

When the disciples baptized in the name of Jesus, they were acknowledging that they were under the authority of Jesus. In doing so, it is understood that if one is acting under the authority of Jesus, he is automatically, through Jesus, honoring the authority of the Father, without trying to go directly to the Father, instead of through Jesus.

The baptism in the name of Jesus is the only correct way; for this way acknowledges that we are honoring the fact that we are under the authority, or headship of Jesus. It also acknowledges that we do not try to usurp the place of Jesus as being the only one directly under the Father. But when we Baptize or pray in the name of Jesus, it automatically becomes blessed by the Father; for above Jesus, is the Father.

If a man owned a business, which he had run for many years, then he sets his son over the business, and tells all the customers they must now go to his Son for all they receive from the business, then one would not suppose that they must go to the Father. In doing so, he would dishonor the word of the Father.

If one tried to go directly to the father, the father would be angered, for in doing so, they would not be honoring the father’s wishes; his word. They would be trying to discredit the authority given by the father to the son.

This is why we are only to baptize in the name of Jesus; = it carries the full power and authority of the Godhead; for the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily in Jesus. I do not have to go to the Father, apart from the Son (indeed, I CANNOT)– to receive something from God; for all the power in heaven and earth was given to Jesus.

May God richly bless and open your eyes to this great truth.

By: Jo Smith

Touch of Faith

From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 2/6/2005 10:18 PM
Mark 6:46-56—
And when he had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray. And when even was come, the ship was in the midst of the sea, and he alone on the land. And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.

But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out: For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid.

And he went up unto them into the ship; and the wind ceased: and they were sore amazed in themselves beyond measure, and wondered.

For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened.

And when they had passed over, they came into the land of Gennesaret, and drew to the shore. And when they were come out of the ship, straight-way they knew him, and ran through that whole region round about, and bagan to carry about in beds those that were sick, where they heard he was.

And whithersoever he entered, into villages, or cities, or country, they laid the sick in the streets, and besought him that they might touch if it were but the border of his garment: and as many as touched him were made whole.

Matt. 14:34—And when the men of that place had knowledge of him, they sent out into all that country round about, and brought unto him all that were diseased;

36—And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.

Matt. 9:20–And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment:

v21—For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.

v22—But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.

These people had faith. They only touched the ‘hem’ of Jesus’ garment and were made perfectly whole of whatsoever disease they had.

People of God, it is NO different today!! Don’t let anyone make you think it is. That power to heal is just the same today as it was then. Jesus does not change; he has not lost one tiny bit of power. Nor, has he changed his mind about healing those who touch him in faith.

You might say, well he is not here now; so we can not touch his garment. My friend, that is not necessary.

James 5:14—Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

v15—And the prayer of FAITH shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

All you have to do today, is touch him in faith; believe in you heart and doubt not; and you shall have what you ask.

There is no need for doctors, medicine , or the like. All you need is that pure, unwavering faith. If you lack faith, ask of God, and He will give it to you. Seek for faith. These things are very much for God’s people today. It is only that they do not want to seek for the faith. But without faith it is impossible to please God.

All things are possible to those who can believe.

By: Jo Smith

My Father and I

From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 8/24/2004 10:03 PM
My Father and I

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. ( see he said he went unto the Father which was greater than himself.

John10:30 I and my Father are one. . ( Jesus was not stating that him and his Father was one here as the Trinitarians say and as the ONENESS people say. He referred to the unity such as was on the day of Pentecost where they were in one mind and one accord. Jesus prayed that this same unity would become a reality among his followers.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. (see the plural word we there. If Jesus was God so are we because he said let them be one as we are one.)

Jesus lived as God’s servant. He yielded perfect obedience to His Father. He always did those things that pleased God. This showed that Jesus recognized God as greater than he.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

( Jesus received his knowledge from God because he said here that his Father had taught him what to do. Now if this is so how could he be God as the Trinitarians say and the oneness people say? God knows all things, Jesus did not. Boy did I really hit a nail ? To show you this I have scripture to prove it? You ought to know by now that myself or joie does not say what we can not show in the word. Now here is proof.

Mark13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father( See that is the best way to prove anything is by the word and the word said that hour knoweth no man, not even the Son, but only the Father. If the Son was the Father which again he is not, how come Jesus did not knoweth the hour?

God is perfect in knowledge. Jesus had to increase in knowledge.

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. ” ( increase means that he began to grow in the wisdom and knowledge of God as we should. You know a lots of time we say we want to be like Jesus, well let your wisdom and stature increase and that is the way to find favor with God and man.

Jesus said that Son can do nothing of himself, he only does what the Father tells him to do and speaks the things the Father tells him to speak.

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. “

5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. ( see all Jesus wanted done was the will of the Father. He did not seek his own will as you know he said in the garden not my will but thine will be done.

There is so much more that I could add to this but this probably is already to much for some of you and I doubt that some has not even got this far. Besides I have been here on this for about 3 hours and I am so tired that I do not know whether I can get out of this chair or not, but this is the truth and you need to increase in wisdom of who the Son of God is and who the Father is.

Luke 10: 21. In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, LORD of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

  1. All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
  2. And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
  3. For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

How I thank My God for this glorious and truthful message! This is food for my soul. This is truth. This is Manna from Heaven.

Blessed are the eyes which see the things you see; and blessed are the ears which hear what you hear. Blessed of God are you and I.

We see and hear the truth. This is something almost no one has.

If a person can read this message and still cling to the lies of Rome, they are just doing despite to the Spirit of Truth and rejecting, willfully, all that God teaches. I truly believe a person would have to willfully CHOOSE lies to refuse to see this which is so clearly taught and PROVEN BY WRITTEN WORD HERE.

The above was by Larry [Isaiah]. The following is by Jo Smith:

It is as I have said so many times, we PROVE EVERY WORD WE SAY BY THE WRITTEN WORD. The Trinitarians and the Jesus onlies cannot prove a thing they say with WRITTEN WORD. They just hurl things at us which has been handed down to them from their ‘fathers’. They have not sought to prove a thing as God said to do.

They KNOW THEY Could not prove what they say with Scripture; so they bring up false teachers’ sayings. That is all the foundation they can find. Rotten Wood!

That is why so many come here to this group, stay a while, read our true messages; and then leave. They cannot take real truth; for it crosses their grain and the lies of their fathers. They are rejecting God when they reject the Word. Did not he say the Word was God? sure he did. It is the Father’s own words; so it is him. My words are me; they are my thoughts. So it is with God.

They are accusing Jesus of a lie, they are accusing Jesus of claiming to be God. Jesus did no such thing! This is the sin of Adam, not Jesus.

Now read verse 21 above –Jesus is thanking His Father that he hid these things from those who think they are wise and has revealed them to babes. We are his babes.

Now read v.22 (this is powerful)– Jesus said his Father had delivered all things to him (see proof of my message on the transference of power — that the Father put all things into Jesus’ hands and lifted him up to the status of being our God?)

But look at his next words…..No man knows who the Father is– except those to whom the Son reveals him. And no man knows who the Son is.

See? Only those to whom the Son gives this revelation to knows, KNOWS who the Father or the Son is.

Now I can assure all of you, the Trinitarians and the Jesus only people DID NOT GET ANY REVELATION FROM JESUS SAYING WHAT ANY OF YOU SAY.

IF YOU SAY YOU DID, SHOW US THE SCRIPTURE JESUS REVEALED IT TO YOU FROM. HE ONLY GIVES REVELATION FROM THE WORD.

HE SAYS ONLY WHAT HIS FATHER SAYS; AND HIS WORD IS THE WORD. THIS IS GOD. THE WORD. YOU CANNOT PROVE A THING UNLESS THE WORD SAYS IT.

All any of you have is tradition handed down to you from someone else; not a revelation from Jesus.

If you had the revelation from Jesus, you would say the same thing he said. He said My Father is greater than I. I say only what my Father tells me to say.

Where can any of you make this statement? You cannot, and you know it.

So it proves you JUST DO NOT WANT TRUTH.

You accuse Isaiah and me of twisting the Word. I do not see one word in this message that was not quoted exactly from the Word. If you can find one place where he ( Isaiah) ‘twisted’ any Scripture,

BRING IT FORTH. SHOW IT. REVEAL IT.

All of you accuse us of twisting Scripture, yet you do not bring forth on Word which matches the Word.

By Jo Smith

I Am My Father

From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551 (Original Message) Sent: 9/17/2007 10:39 PM
I Am My Father

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Joh 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

The false ‘Jesus-only’ doctrine rests heavily upon the MISINTERPRETATION of the above verses. If an interpretation is NOT written, just as spoken, and if it crosses other Scriptures, then know that the interpretation is FALSE. Truth cannot and does not contradict itself. All Scripture is the TRUTH of God. It is HIS word. Dare any of you call God a lie? Just because of your little lack of understanding?

So let’s examine the above in light of other Scripture. No man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Now they claim this means that Jesus is the Father. Then why didn’t he say so? Why did he say you can only come to the Father by himself? Is that sensible, to say you can only come to me by me?

If you had known me, ye should have known MY FATHER also. So, is it sensible to say, if you have known me, ye should have known me also? Do you really think this is what Jesus was saying? If you have known me, you should have known me also? Not hardly.

So then, seeing is understanding, right? Sure. If you have seen me, you have seen the Father also? (If you have seen me, you have seen me also???) So if someone asked me, show me your Mother…and because I do only the things my Mother does, I say, if you have seen me, you have seen my Mother also, because I do only what my Mother does……so in this, I have showed you, already, my Mother, by the very works I do and the words I say, for I only say what my Mother tells me to say….so when you hear me…you hear my Mother. But instead of this, Jesus is supposed to have said, if you have seen me you have really seen me, for I am me, or rather I am my own Father. ?? Huh? Is that how you really think Jesus talked? Sounds rather looney to me.

Phillip, I have only done the works of my Father and only said the words of my father, so how can you say, shew us the Father? I have already shown him to you by my works and words. Proof? Sure: John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father in me? (I am in me and me is in me also? Is that what you think Jesus said?)…No. He said God is a Spirit, and that Spirit of God is in me. He is telling me what to say, and I only say what he tells me to say. The words that I speak unto you, I speak not of my own thoughts, but the Father, which dwells in me, he does the works. Believe me. Do you believe Jesus? Believe me that I am in the father and the Father is in me, or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

If you cannot believe what I am saying, (Jesus speaking), then at least believe that the works I am doing is the works of my Father and the words I speak are my Father’s words. So I have already shown you my father. Now. (their version: I do not speak my own word, but I speak my words. I am in me and me is in me also. If you don’t believe this, then believe me, for I am in my self, and my self, is in me also.)

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Now for the real bomb-shell… he that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and even greater works than these shall he do… so if the works prove that I am the Father, then shall you be the Father even more, for you can do the same works I am doing. So if I must be the Father to do this, then you will be even more-so the Father. And you can do greater works than this, because I am staying myself….means my father.

Did he say that? Nope. He said you shall do greater than these BECAUSE I GO UNTO MY FATHER. (but really, I am my father, so I do not have to go to my father. He is in me, so I do not have to go anywhere to go to myself. I am the Father. I am always with the Father…don’t have to go anywhere to be with myself.) that is how the world teaches John 14.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Ask in my name, and I will do it that I may be glorified in myself. HUH? Well, after all, self is the father of self? Right? According to the Jesus-only folks, this is the solid truth. And I am not changing a thing. This is just how it would have to read, if they are correct.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him

(Now, [and remember, I am only saying this as Jesus would have had to say it, according to the Jesus-only doctrine], He that loves me, will be loved of me, and I will love him.)

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.

(If a man love me, he will keep my words, and I will love him and I [we] {see, he made a mistake here, by saying ‘we’ when he really means just me}, will come unto him and make my {our} {{same mistake again}}, (he thinks he is a plural being)), abode with him.

Now for the big lie! The word which ye hear is NOT MINE. Hear that? Jesus is telling one here, according to the ‘jesus-only doctrine’. He said the word is NOT MINE. Yet he is the only one whose it could be?? Not mine, but the Father’s which SENT ME. (No, he had to say, not mine, but really is mine, (see, I am just kidding ((Jesus)) but is mine because I sent myself.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

(His words, according to them)…The Comforter, is really me, in disguise, and myself will send my self in my name, and myself will teach you all things, and bring it to your memory, all I said unto you).

And last of all: John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

(According to them…that the world may know that I love myself, and as myself gave myself commandment, even so I do.)

Now, I have not added a thing here, except exactly how it would have to read, if the Jesus-only doctrine were true. Did Jesus really speak that crazy? But the real proof is that it must not cross other Scriptures. Did they check this out? Not at all. Now don’t forget, Jesus told them, if you have seen me, you have seen my Father. And if you have known me, you should have known my Father also. From henceforth (this source) you have seen my Father.

So. (check it out)..

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (You have seen God from me, this source, you have seen my Father. See, the son is in the bosom of his self and declares himself.)

1jo 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 1jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. 1jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

(Yes, you have seen God when you looked at me, for I am God, said Jesus? Right? According to millions of church folks, this is right. If we love one another, I dwell in us and my love is perfected in us. We know we dwell in him and he is us, because he hath given us himself. We have seen that the Father sent the Father to be the Saviour, or the Son sent the Son to be the Saviour, or I sent myself to be the Saviour?)

Well, well. So it does cross Scripture. Two different verses saying that no man hath seen God at any time. Yet Jesus said if you see me, you have seen HIM. It also says here that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. It does not say the Son sent the son, or sent himself. It does not say the Father sent the Father or self.

Yet, in spite of all this solid proof, that they are misinterpreting John 14, they totally over-looked this and went right on in their false doctrine, teaching the world lies. In spite of all this proof, they had not considered that perhaps they are not seeing the real truth here. In spite of all this, an entire church is built upon this false, sand foundation of lies.

Do they really seek truth? Do they really care? Do they really love God?

By: Jo Smith … Sept. 17, 2007

I Said Unto You

From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551 (Original Message) Sent: 3/22/2007 8:08 PM
~I said unto you ~ By: Jo Smith March 21, 2007

If we are to believe some doctrine, we need to know that Jesus taught it or confirmed it. We also need to know that the Apostles and Prophets taught it. In other words, it must be stated in Written Scripture. If you believe something which is not written in Scripture, then you have no foundation or proof. It has not been established by God to be truth. It must be stated at least twice in Scripture to be established as truth. It must have two witnesses. Nothing is established with only one witness, by decree of God.

So while the ‘storm’ rages among all church folks, about who Jesus is, what did Jesus say? What did the Apostles say? What did Moses and other prophets say? Now the burden of proof is on those who claim something which is not taught in Scripture. It is not up to those of us who say it is not written, to prove or disprove their doctrine. The very fact that it is not written, is all the proof we need. But to those who insist upon claiming a doctrine which is not written in Scripture, thus setting someone’s word above God’s Word, then it is their place to PROVE what they are saying. All I need for proof is that it is not in Scripture. For instance, trinity. It is not once written in Scripture, so that settles it for me that it is false. Rapture? It also is not taught in Scripture, so it is false. Some say well the ‘principal’ is taught. Then you must prove it with some written Scripture, else you are just accepting some man’s interpretation. Private interpretation is forbidden by God and proves it is wrong.

So now, lets check what Jesus said about himself. Who did he say I am? If you say that he is God, then you must find where Jesus said, I am God. I say it is not in Scripture. God told us many, many times in the OT Scriptures that I am God and there is none else beside me. So now, If Jesus were that same God, why would he not make it clear? Why would he never one time say, I am God? He did not claim to be God, because he was not God.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Joh 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

Now carnal minded men think Jesus was saying that he was living in heaven before he came here. That is not what he is saying here. He is telling those people that they are of this world system and he is not. He is from God’s Kingdom, same as I am. I am also from above. It does not mean he lived there before he was born here. That is carnal interpretation, for no Scripture states this.

There was a man sent from God, named John. Does this mean John lived in heaven first? You decide for yourself.

Not in verse 24 Jesus said if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. The false churches claim this means that we must believe that Jesus is God. But see, nothing has been said here about being God. Those Jews wondered too. They asked him who are you? Jesus said unto them even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. So then if you think he meant he was God, you must go back to the beginning of his ministry or life, and find where Jesus told them, I am God. Now when you find me that Scripture, I will hush about this. But until then, you need to listen to this truth.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. (He is WITH me. He has not left me alone! HUH? Yet this false church claims that he is all alone in eternity.) See they are calling Jesus a lie.

Jesus said, when ye have lifted up the Son of Man, then shall ye know that I AM HE. Now that was the answer to their question, who are you? The Jesus-only people twist this Scripture where it said they knew not that he spoke of the Father, to say it refers to this. It did not. He was speaking of the above verses when he said if you had known me you should have known my Father also.

He was NOT saying I am the Father. He said ye must believe that I am the Son of man. You twist this Scripture totally out of its rightful words to say he was telling them I am God. He said no such thing.

Jesus referred to himself, or Scripture does, as Son of Man some 85 times in the New Testament. That is far above what is required to make it established. How many times did he say, I am God? Not one. Wonder why? Now look at this:

Mt 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Mt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Right there, in two verses, Jesus called himself the Son of man. Both times he was speaking of after his DEATH. He said the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father. So he is still Son of Man. Proof?

Ac 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

That was Stephen as they stoned him to death. He said the Son of man is in heaven now, at the right hand of God. He did not say, I see God. He said I see the Son of man.

Re 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Now there is the same one coming on that white cloud. He was like unto the son of man. Had not changed one bit from this like unto the Son of man.

Lu 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Now see that Luke said the son of man is coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Still the Son of man. He still is not God.

Lu 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Now that is enough proof that when Jesus returns to earth, he is still Son of man. For those of you who claim that he was God before, and left that a while, then went back to heaven and picked it back up, what do you make of this? Where is your proof? Prove it with written Scripture, as I have done here.

John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? Joh 9:36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? Joh 9:37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

Here we see that Jesus told the man the Son of God talked to you. Not once does he ever say, I am God. Most of the time he referred to himself as Son of man. But on a few occasions he confessed to being the Son of God, but never God. Most of the time when Son of God is mentioned, it was someone other than Jesus saying it. His inner man was the Son of God, not his outer man. His outer man was Son of David, human flesh. His inner man was born of God, the very same way our inner man must be to be a son of God. It was spiritual, not physical.

Jesus proclaimed his oneness with his Father, for he was in total agreement with God at all times, never rebelling and doing his own way or speaking his own words. Watch:

John10:30 I and my Father are one. 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Now that Scripture has been greatly misused to try and accuse Jesus of saying he was God or equal with God, just the same lie those Jews were falsely accusing him of. They wanted to kill Jesus. If Jesus were here today, teaching his truth, most church folks would still want to kill him. He could not stay on one single group on the internet, except ours. None of the Apostles would be welcome anywhere, except here.

How do I Know? Because I teach exactly what they said, and it is not welcome anywhere. When Jesus asked them why they wanted to kill him, they said because you, being a man, makest thyself God. See they were falsely accusing Jesus, for they had no idea what he meant. They misinterpreted every word he said, just as people still do. But see how Jesus showed them that it is not what he was saying. He said if he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, why are you saying I blaspheme because I said, I am the Son of God?

Now that is what Jesus said I am. He said, I am the Son of God. He said I am the Son of man. He never once said, I am God. Where did he say that? Now that is what Jesus told them from the beginning to the end. That is what is meant in John 8. If you believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Who are you? Even the same that I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING.

All he ever said was I AM THE SON OF MAN….I AM THE SON OF GOD. Never once had he told them I am God. Yet an entire false church sprang up around the lie, that he said, ye must believe that I said I am he, and they claim he meant God. It is blasphemy! This is who Jesus told them he was, son of man, son of God. They said who are you? He said even the same which I SAID UNTO YOU. So what else did he ever say unto them? Nothing!

When the rich young ruler came to Jesus and said, Good master. Jesus rebuked this and said, why do you call me good? Only one is good and that is God. So here Jesus flat denied being God. He refused to let this man call him good. This should be enough proof to everyone.

When Nicodemus approached Jesus he said, we know that you are a teacher COME FROM GOD, for no man can do these works except GOD BE WITH HIM. With him. Same thing Jesus said, He is WITH me, he has not left me alone. Why is everyone calling Jesus a lie? Jesus accepted this salutation from Nicodemus, for he had the truth. He was not accusing Jesus of being God.

AMEN!